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Overseas, I would urge you, if you have not done so already, to at least read the Book, before continuing your campaign against TA and Avanti as a result of your own instincts.
I will continue to challenge prejudiced, unproven and slanderous nonsense whenever it appears in this thread.[/quote]
So you are going to continue to urge people to fill TA’s coffers by buying his book?
And well done for trying to be the self proclaimed moderator for this thread. Sadly, this MABS, and that means if your idea of moderating is the same shitposting as earlier, you’ll earn infractions, and then banning. While my posts are within the MABS rules, I can comment anyway I please. Perhaps you should realise, you aren’t in charge of this show, and your interests are clearly in favour of TA. I don’t think you actually are TA though, I think he’d be smarter than to troll so obviously, but you could be an acquantance, if thats so, then ask him to go into a local chinese takeaway, and order in cantonese, catch it on video, and we’ll verify his speech for fluency, not so hard is it?
I had another idea, since you are so concerned with peoples identity on this thread, scan your documents, and send them to Samual Browning, the site’s lawyer, to prove who you are, a Passport, or driving licence will suffice.
I would urge people to watch his video rather than read the book.
When questioning facts in the book Tony can easily blame inaccuracy on others such as the editor or writer.
The video is all his own words from his own mouth that leaves less room for him to slip out of it.
One line sticks in my mind constantly " We where supposed to shoot people in the leg or the arms but i would shoot them in the face" .
I strongly disagree. It must be both, not either / or. You should watch the videos but you must also read the book.
You will find that any researcher worth his salt would agree. TA stands behind every word written in the book.
Many public figures have had to retract what they have said during speeches. I can think of numerous examples. But they will not allow anything to get into print that they may have to retract later.
[quote=terrafirma;2284222]I strongly disagree. It must be both, not either / or. You should watch the videos but you must also read the book.
You will find that any researcher worth his salt would agree. TA stands behind every word written in the book.
Many public figures have had to retract what they have said during speeches. I can think of numerous examples. But they will not allow anything to get into print that they may have to retract later.[/quote]
You have got to be joking
Are you seriously claiming that events described in a book that was ghost written carry more evidential weight than a confession freely delivered in spoken words by an individual himself, not under interrogation or duress in any way, and captured / recorded on film?
What planet are you on?
Also, for the record, I have never claimed that Tony is a paedophile.
I have only ever tried to draw people’s attention to the fact that Tony has made numerous verbal confessions of extremely serious crimes, all are available for anyone to see on video.
I have also pointed out that some of Tony’s associates at Avanti Ministries have made claims in their bios, in press and radio interviews, that they were involved in extremely serious criminal activities.
They are all visiting schools and, whether you like it not, Tony IS “befriending” children on Facebook.
Nothing would make me happier than to discover that all the criminal claims of Tony and his associates were just fantasy. Not because I wish them any embarrassment or humiliation, but simply because if even half the stories are true then the situation is a lot more serious then if they are lies.
terrafirma
Let me ask you something
Do you think it’s OK for Tony to be befriending all these children on facebook?
Do you feel that the duty of care towards children, in terms of vetting adults who regularly have contact with children, should be ignored or relaxed when children are in churches as opposed to say schools or youth clubs?
Do you feel that it’s OK for evangelist preachers to bypass the usual checks and procedures and have privileged access to children?
YMAS: Tony Anthony
[quote=Santeria Claus;2284227]You have got to be joking
No, I am not joking. This is a deadly serious matter.
I suggest you go back to nursing your badly damaged foot.
Damaged foot?
If you say so
puzzled
No idea, probably related to the voodoo involving the slaughtered chickens or some other weirdness.
BTW, if you keep deleting the ending [/quote] tag, which you seem to manage every single time you try and quote someone, it simply makes the post harder to read for everyone else.
And well done for not answering her questions.
[quote=Santeria Claus;2284227]terrafirma
Let me ask you something
Do you think it’s OK for Tony to be befriending all these children on facebook?
Do you feel that the duty of care towards children, in terms of vetting adults who regularly have contact with children, should be ignored or relaxed when children are in churches as opposed to say schools or youth clubs?
Do you feel that it’s OK for evangelist preachers to bypass the usual checks and procedures and have privileged access to children?[/quote]
- No
- No.
- No. But you have not yet shown that this is happening in the case of Avanti Ministries.
Any more questions?
lot of smoke from terrafirma
I judge with my own head. I rely on Tony verbal testimony when he visited Romania, he clearly claimed ‘3 times world kung fu champion’ and he also claimed many brutal unnecessary murders, including some in the Middle East, by gun & knife. Besides these, some excerpts from the book suffice to me as regards the kung fu fraud. Many people in Romania do not read the book, but they get intoxicated by Tony preaching on a scene. That is why I rely on the words from Tony’s mouth. If the book is different by the verbal testimony, then Tony has a problem !
Sincerely, I understand Tony. It was a kind of ‘revelation’ when I watched the video provided by him. Seeing him wandering on the streets of London, I realized nobody is giving a dime on him, so he had to come up with something big to fill the chairs at his events. Eventually he came up with something too big, so that now he has a problem to manage it 
[quote=terrafirma;2284250]1. No
2. No.[/quote]
good
what exactly do you propose to do about it?
[quote=terrafirma;2284250]3. No. But you have not yet shown that this is happening in the case of Avanti Ministries.
Any more questions?[/quote]
Avanti Ministries are aware of this thread as you know. If Tony and his associates have had the appropriate screenings and checks then why don’t they say so?
In fact let’s throw down the gauntlet here
Can anyone from Avanti confirm that Tony Anthony and the other evangelists at Avanti have had their enhanced CRB checks?
Can anyone from the various churchs, schools and youth groups that invite the Avani ex-con evangelists to visit them please confirm that they have seen Tony’s and the other evangelists’ CRB documents with their own eyes, made a photocopy for their own records and interviewed the evangelists about their “criminal pasts”?
I don’t know whether you have got the message yet, Santeria Claws, but Avanti and TA are not going to respond to you. You are wasting your efforts as you have no credibility whatsoever, having shot yourself in the foot by admitting that you have made your slanderous charges without even having had the decency to read the main source material.
You go on about CRB checks, but you clearly know little about them, or the fact that they are not required for visitors to schools that are in the company of officers of the school.
You really are full of hot air.
As for throwing down the gauntlet: if you are so sure of yourself, why not apply to the court for a warrant to arrest TA on suspicion of being a “serial murderer” and all the other nonsense you continually state about him.
I would add to this that you are continually dragging this thread off topic. This thread was supposed to expose or clear TA as a fraud, in regard to his claimed martial arts background. All it has done is give a platform to witch-hunters, who have presented no proveable evidence against TA whatsoever, and are just using this forum to anonymously slander him.
I am frankly disappointed, as my hope was to join with serious people who actually have an interest in finding out the truth, rather than vindictive heavily prejudiced individuals, who have no understanding of basic research methods and do not seem to be capable of rational debate.
If you want to find out the truth then it is out there. It is not possible for all of us to find out all of it, due to geographical remoteness etc.
In a previous post I said that if I were TA’s best friend I would encourage him to come onto the forum and defend himself. Knowing what I do now about some of the prolific posters and their prejudices, I would now strongly advise him not to. I would expect that he had already reached this conclusion before I had even heard of him and Bullshido. I am not now surprised at his silence and that of Avanti Ministries.
[quote=terrafirma;2286189]I don’t know whether you have got the message yet, Santeria Claws, but Avanti and TA are not going to respond to you. You are wasting your efforts as you have no credibility whatsoever, having shot yourself in the foot by admitting that you have made your slanderous charges without even having had the decency to read the main source material.
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What about the people who have read his book, why won’t Avanti respond to them?
As for throwing down the gauntlet: if you are so sure of yourself, why not apply to the court for a warrant to arrest TA on suspicion of being a “serial murderer” and all the other nonsense you continually state about him.
Tony is either a murderer or he lied in his speeches when he said he is a murderer. Which is it?
I would add to this that you are continually dragging this thread off topic. This thread was supposed to expose or clear TA as a fraud, in regard to his claimed martial arts background. All it has done is give a platform to witch-hunters, who have presented no proveable evidence against TA whatsoever, and are just using this forum to anonymously slander him.
So is Tony a killer or did he lie about being a killer? If one is true then the other is false, no proof required.
In a previous post I said that if I were TA’s best friend I would encourage him to come onto the forum and defend himself. Knowing what I do now about some of the prolific posters and their prejudices, I would now strongly advise him not to. I would expect that he had already reached this conclusion before I had even heard of him and Bullshido. I am not now surprised at his silence and that of Avanti Ministries.
Tony hasn’t got a leg to stand on. It would probably not be in his interest to post anywhere.
Tony confesses to killing, maiming and disabling people in his videos. They are all over the internet.
I think you’ll find that this fact means that the word “slanderous” does not apply in this instance.
So you are suggesting that it’s good practice for a group of self confessed criminals, including Tony with his countless videos confessions of murder, sadism, crime and thuggery, to go on tours of schools and youth clubs without having enhanced CRB checks?
You know that it’s not good practice (understatement) for Tony to “befriend” minors on social networking sites, yet it still goes on.
You seem more concerned with defending Tony than you do with ensuring the safety of children, which I find highly disturbing.
The thread was started because Tony appears to be a martial arts fraud. He didn’t respond to perfectly reasonable questions and so people dug deeper and find stuff that’s even worse, not just about Tony but about his associates.
It is also now apparent that Tony is either a liar and a fraud or a self-confessed multiple murderer (does that sound better to you than serial killer?)
Either way Tony needs to answer some questions.
[quote=terrafirma;2286189]I am frankly disappointed, as my hope was to join with serious people who actually have an interest in finding out the truth, rather than vindictive heavily prejudiced individuals, who have no understanding of basic research methods and do not seem to be capable of rational debate.
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What on earth is wrong with you?
Just look at Tony’s videos and listen to what he’s saying. All you need to see is there. Tony can’t hide from it and neither can you.
You sound like a cult member who just carries on singing the same song of defending the Leader in the face of overwhelming, damning evidence.
Why is it the easiest route is always the hardest?
Yes, we did a CRB chek here is the proof.
Here are the certificates proving I am a 3xKung Fu champ.
Instead, we get people who decide to attack the researches, call people names and impugn the entire website. Fine if you have nothing to add then leave. You are lying to us when you say you joined to
I am frankly disappointed, as my hope was to join with serious people who actually have an interest in finding out the truth, rather than vindictive heavily prejudiced individuals, who have no understanding of basic research methods and do not seem to be capable of rational debate.
If he is such a great guy and a Kung Fu master give up some proof.
If he isn’t give up some proof. Instead of crying and calling names do something new. Give up some proof.
You don’t have to be on either side to be a researcher, you can just do research. Yes, I’m speaking form experience.
I have helped clear people I didn’t agree with when, it turns out they weren’t frauds or liars.
Hi Mackan.
Good post.
You’ve just demonstrated that in yet another couple of paragraphs of Tony’s book, once again, his story is very dubious.
There is very little of his story that holds up to any scrutiny.
That is because Taming the Tiger is, quite obviously, (to all but the totally gullible or foolish) a pack of lies.
why Tony would not respond
Tony would not respond cause he is busy to make some money. As I found about cults methodology, cults don’t grow because they are able to convince everybody about with their lies, but because they concentrate on the people that believe them. As long as Tony gets appointments to speak and to sell his courses, he would be nuts to waste his time in a battle with his skeptics.
As for bringing together TA name and ‘cult’, I call a cultist anyone that mixes truth an lies in a religious context.
If Tony is able to show me a few moves that are really Shaolin class level, then I can live with the rest of the inconsistencies in his book
Yet many other people have read the source material and have put forward views based on rational argument, eg lack of evidence for the kung fu organisation TA claims to have belonged to, the discussion surrounding the tiger.
Some posters on here are prejudice against TA and some have been more pro TA. At least there is a discussion and dialogue in most cases something which AVANTI and TA when offered the chance have generally not done. Equally their answers when they have participated are not conclusive and in some cases are even evasive.
[quote=terrafirma;2286189]You go on about CRB checks, but you clearly know little about them, or the fact that they are not required for visitors to schools that are in the company of officers of the school.
You really are full of hot air. [/quote]
I am a qualified primary teacher and a special constable with the police so I have a little experience in this matter. If your job involves regular contact with children then you will require a CRB check. TA speaks in many schools therefore should have a CRB check.
Any responsible school would be concerned about a visitor with a criminal record particularly regarding violent crimes and would request a CRB due to child protection polices and the government safeguarding strategy.
Because that would require a lot more evidence. All that has been said on this thread is a question. Has TA been officially charged with the deaths he mentions in his talks and if so has he served an appropriate jail sentence for them?
This is an entirely reasonable question considering TA is preaching about TRUTH and redemption. If he has killed people and wants redemption part of that process should involve him owning up to the authorities the crimes he has committed.
[quote=terrafirma;2286189]
I would add to this that you are continually dragging this thread off topic. This thread was supposed to expose or clear TA as a fraud, in regard to his claimed martial arts background. All it has done is give a platform to witch-hunters, who have presented no proveable evidence against TA whatsoever, and are just using this forum to anonymously slander him.
I am frankly disappointed, as my hope was to join with serious people who actually have an interest in finding out the truth, rather than vindictive heavily prejudiced individuals, who have no understanding of basic research methods and do not seem to be capable of rational debate.[/quote]
There has been rational debate for the most part. Research has been carried out where by the primary sources eg TA and the ghost author of his book have been contacted. Secondary sources have also been used unfortunately the things he claims are not always easy to prove. Overall any person with a balanced amount of scepticism informed by any knowledge of the martial arts would find his claims difficult to accept at face value.
If you have higher standards with regards to research why not suggest them to the forum or better yet employ them yourself.
[quote=terrafirma;2286189]If you want to find out the truth then it is out there. It is not possible for all of us to find out all of it, due to geographical remoteness etc.
In a previous post I said that if I were TA’s best friend I would encourage him to come onto the forum and defend himself. Knowing what I do now about some of the prolific posters and their prejudices, I would now strongly advise him not to. I would expect that he had already reached this conclusion before I had even heard of him and Bullshido. I am not now surprised at his silence and that of Avanti Ministries.[/quote]
I am equally not surprised at his silence as he is playing the evasion game so popular with politicians.