Is this a culling?
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[quote=sainthamish;2288229]Is this a culling?
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Probably, and about time too, it is after all a MABS thread.
Tony Anthony - He was named “Tony” twice?
It’s a fake name.
For a faker dude!
[quote=Sushi-Boy;2288356]Tony Anthony - He was named “Tony” twice?[/quote]It could have been worse.
Terrafirma, you seem quite deffensive over TA. Also I find the slanderous attacks on your fellow comenters frankly duscusting. In some cases the attacks almost seem personal.
TA visited my school a while ago now, and everybody was quite taken in by his impressive display. These are YOUNG impressionable youngsters, and TA should be ashamed. However TA, don’t dispare. You have a long future as a comedian; those parts in your book about picking up the pot of MOLTAN METAL!!! coaxed many chuckles from me, especially as it is from the T.V siries “Kung Fu”.
Also it is very convinient that you no longer practice Kung Fu, and so you cannot show us your skills.
Anyway Terrafirma, I’m sure that Avanti thanks you for your attacks. Your not a member of Avanti are you?
Regards
I would be content if Tony shows us some Shaolin class kung fu moves. If he can do this, I will live with all other errors and inconsistencies.
PS: Last minte, I would add a thorough buddhism exam, based on 100 questions from experts. That should be a walk in the park for Tony based on his book.
Hey everybody, I feel like I am commenting alot, so appologies. However, just something that may interest you all.
There is a Christian site called Avanti. Avanti sells the book Tameing the Tiger by our favourite friend Mr Anthony. It also is TA’s very own website and was created by TA. Sounds like Tony is making a nice living out of being a fraud. Avanti is not a Christian site, it is just a source of income for TA. It also has a section to donate to Avanti.
Hrmm…
Alpha/Omega,
I/We are aware that there is a Ltd company set up for Avanti Ministries and I have a copy of there last 5 years accounts as they can be downloaded from companies house.
As yet Ive not seen anything of great concern however I have recently passed them to an accountant to look at as I am not particularly good with this sort of thing.
The one thing that is not covered in accounts is the amount of revenue Tony receives directly from the book sales as they would not go through the ltd company.
Although being paid for a book you have written is not a crime, even setting up a mechanism to market your book is not a crime or lying in a book.
Not to mention . what is a fake ministry to a godless system?
I have spoken to the police and although they said i could make a complaint and it would be looked into , it most likely wouldnt get taken very far.
I may do this just to see what does happens but im waiting for a few other things to be concluded first as I feel more evidence is required before this happens.
Evidence is just around the corner!!
[quote=Alpha/omega;2290950]Terrafirma, you seem quite deffensive over TA. Also I find the slanderous attacks on your fellow comenters frankly duscusting. In some cases the attacks almost seem personal.
Anyway Terrafirma, I’m sure that Avanti thanks you for your attacks. Your not a member of Avanti are you?
Regards[/quote]
No, I am not a member of Avanti and had not even heard of Tony Anthony until a few weeks ago. I wrote what I did because I think it unacceptable to be a prolific poster on the Internet, which is after all a public place, stating without any caution whatsoever that a named, public individual is a liar, serial killer, murderer, fantasist, is unsafe to work with children etc., when that poster has not even had the decency to read the source material, and does not even have a copy to refer to.
I read through the thread before receiving the book, and I suppose I naively thought that what was being attacked was an accurate reflection of the published story. However I discovered after reading the book that some of what is being attacked here was made up by some of the posters themselves - to make the story seem even more incredible than it already is.
I also felt that it was important to try to see what sort of defence could be made against the accusations found here.
My gut feeling remains the same and I look forward with interest to seeing what real evidence comes to light that could expose fraud and dishonesty in this case.
I do think that Mr P is on the right track and is probably doing the most to uncover the truth.
I think a line of enquiry that needs following up is that of TA’s parents. They are supposed to be both alive and living in the UK. TA claims, in his recent Ukrainian interview, to be keen to be reconciled to them and to win them to Christ. And yet in his book he writes about his mother very negatively. I cannot see how a person can publish anything like this about his mother while she is still living, as it would surely destroy any hope of reconciliation. It made me wonder whether these Italian / Chinese parents of TA’s really exist? I thought to myself that it would be a good idea to ask TA’s wife whether she had actually met his parents and knew them? Then I found that TA says that he has had no contact with his parents since his marriage.
I am as keen as anyone else here to establish the truth regarding TA. I don’t particularly like being told by the forum leader that I am lying, but I think I can cope with it.
Mr P.
Thank you for the reply, I was unaware of the fact that what Avanti was doing was legal. Also, well done for what you are doing; I believe that the truth is important even if the outcome is that TA is genuine. Thanks again for taking the time to reply:P
my next section is dedicated to Terrafirma. I have read the book. I have a copy of it at home(yes I know, somehow I managed not to throw it). This book was given to me after TA spoke to my school, and so please don’t accuse me of posting without Reading the source material. Oh, btw, TA does state in his book that he has shot people. Personaly I do not believe that someone who boasts about his actions should be allowed to visit schools, especialy as this could encourage youngsters to kick the stuffing out of each other, but it will be o.k in the end if you say sorry to God.
If you realy want to discover the truth, post some facts instead of attacking commenters; if they are lying as you say, they’ll get their comupence eventually.
Just another thing to add terrafirma, just so I’m not slagging you off, well done about the pearents, I found that quite interesting.
With regards parents,
What if the Italian/Chinese thing is just another part of the fantasy.
Just imagine Tony is Cypriot and his parents or at least one of them are in Cyprus.
Perhaps if this was the case the key to his real past is in his real name and his previous job as an insurance broker?
If anybody else is researching this I would ask them to consider this scenario.
[quote=Mr P;2291756]With regards parents,
What if the Italian/Chinese thing is just another part of the fantasy.
Just imagine Tony is Cypriot and his parents or at least one of them are in Cyprus.
Perhaps if this was the case the key to his real past is in his real name and his previous job as an insurance broker?
If anybody else is researching this I would ask them to consider this scenario.[/quote]
This is, in my opinion, the line most worth following. I suggested this possibility in one of my earlier posts - that it may be that TA is a Greek Cypriot, a criminal who was evangelised by Michael Wright in the Nicosian jail, who had some sort of conversion experience, and that the whole Chinese thing is fantasy.
However that is not yet proved.
This is why establishing whether TA is a fluent Cantonese speaker is so important, and should be fairly easy to do for someone who can get close to him.
If he is fluent in Cantonese, then that goes heavily in his favour, as it is most unlikely that he would have learnt that language in Cyprus.
If he is not fluent in Cantonese then the game is over.
He is though, by his own account, fluent in Greek - which first made me suspicious, as I am not convinced that an Italian / Chinese / fluent English speaker would become fluent in Greek simply through being incarcerated in jail in Cyprus. I have experience in learning the Greek language.
[quote=terrafirma;2291949]This is, in my opinion, the line most worth following. I suggested this possibility in one of my earlier posts - that it may be that TA is a Greek Cypriot, a criminal who was evangelised by Michael Wright in the Nicosian jail, who had some sort of conversion experience, and that the whole Chinese thing is fantasy.
However that is not yet proved.
This is why establishing whether TA is a fluent Cantonese speaker is so important, and should be fairly easy to do for someone who can get close to him.
If he is fluent in Cantonese, then that goes heavily in his favour, as it is most unlikely that he would have learnt that language in Cyprus.
If he is not fluent in Cantonese then the game is over.
He is though, by his own account, fluent in Greek - which first made me suspicious, as I am not convinced that an Italian / Chinese / fluent English speaker would become fluent in Greek simply through being incarcerated in jail in Cyprus. I have experience in learning the Greek language.[/quote]
Bear in mind Mandarin is the more common language in china, so unless he was staying in a primarily Cantonese speaking area he should know mandarin.
He claims to have lived in Guangdong, which is actually where the word Canton comes from originally. It’s primarily cantonese that’s spoken there.
I’m going to cut this off before it becomes another argument back and forth as to which language TA should be able to speak after living in Guangdong. The official language is Mandarin, all school programs are taught in Mandarin and all nationally broadcast TV programs are in Mandarin.
The language most commonly spoken in Guangdong is Cantonese. Now if TA actually attended school while in Guangdong he would have learned to speak Mandarin, but at home with his grandparents he would have most likely spoken Cantonese.
Regardless of the situation he should at least be able to speak Cantonese.
[quote=Ronin.74;2292073]I’m going to cut this off before it becomes another argument back and forth as to which language TA should be able to speak after living in Guangdong. The official language is Mandarin, all school programs are taught in Mandarin and all nationally broadcast TV programs are in Mandarin.
The language most commonly spoken in Guangdong is Cantonese. Now if TA actually attended school while in Guangdong he would have learned to speak Mandarin, but at home with his grandparents he would have most likely spoken Cantonese.
Regardless of the situation he should at least be able to speak Cantonese.[/quote]
True enough, same as Hong Kong I would imagine, where everyone speaks cantonese, and if you have an education, varying levels of mandarin. Funny choice for him really, it’s harder to bluff cantonese than mandarin. In order to function you’d need spoken cantonese skills.
Somewhere or other someone critiqued him for using mandarin words during one of his radio shows or something, I might investigate later and see what my wife thinks of his pronounciation, since she speaks both.
That Cypriot theory is quite interesting, it makes sense. I’m glad that the thread is focusing more and more on facts rather than pointless discussions. Good work guys.
[quote=terrafirma;2291617]I wrote what I did because I think it unacceptable to be a prolific poster on the Internet, which is after all a public place, stating without any caution whatsoever that a named, public individual is a liar, serial killer, murderer, fantasist, is unsafe to work with children etc., when that poster has not even had the decency to read the source material, and does not even have a copy to refer to.
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The book is not the only source material. Did you look at the video links? ALso, the book has been quoted here b others. Do you dispute what they wrote?
I read through the thread before receiving the book, and I suppose I naively thought that what was being attacked was an accurate reflection of the published story. However I discovered after reading the book that some of what is being attacked here was made up by some of the posters themselves - to make the story seem even more incredible than it already is.
Care to back up that claim? Reference what parts were made up by other posters and how it is not an accurate reflection of the book.
I also felt that it was important to try to see what sort of defence could be made against the accusations found here.
Have you found any defense yet?
My gut feeling remains the same and I look forward with interest to seeing what real evidence comes to light that could expose fraud and dishonesty in this case.
What more do you need? Did reading the book change the FACT that Tony claims to have killed someone in another county and not stood trial for it? Did reading the book change the FACT that Tony claims to have been imprisoned, but the prison has no record of him? Did reading the book change the FACT that the timeline of his imprisonment does not hold up? Both those equal lies.
What more do you need before you realise that Tony is not what he claims to be and therefore is a false witness.