Tony Anthony and Avanti Ministries derail

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[quote=Yoj;2295699]Very true, let’s say I convince my wife to phone in and ask him what his favourite hotpot ingredients are, which she probably won’t because she’ll think I’m nuts, anyway, she rings and asks him. he fails to answer, looks embarrassed for a moment smiles, says thanks, the producers move on, he then claims that he didn’t understand because it was a very difficult dialect, probably from “insert x here” and then says even though the language is called the same, there are many dialects even in the same language, and a lot of people from different areas can’t understand each other, after all, cantonese is a colloquial language, so differs by region. The audience buy it, and don’t see an issue with it, because, the odds are, they already want to believe, and he bluffs through it.

To an extent, that would even be true, cantonese betweens regions does vary, my wife is always complaining the mainland cantonese speaking chinese have bad cantonese, that’s because it does change quickly, as its only really a spoken language, and regional variations occur easily.

It would mean something if he understood nothing, to us, but his larger audience, wouldn’t think it out of place in the slightest, and as per his supporters here, will still believe him unless firm proof was offered, they don’t care the burden of proof is of course on TA himself.[/quote] Good try Yoj. But don’t use the above as an excuse for not trying the Cantonese test…that is unless you are afraid that your test will fail, and you will find egg on your face.

As someone who is wholly impartial, and who just wants the truth, I wholeheartedly support the idea of putting this test to him. You have to wonder why Yoj and his friends are so afraid?

Regarding “burden of proof” you are incorrect. Those who make slanderous accusations share the burden of proof, and you have so far proved nothing conclusively.

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[quote=terrafirma;2295893]Yoj, you really are confirmed as a complete and utter idiot if you think I am Ladidada!!

That is as strong as my language gets. I won’t use the vile, disgusting language you guys have used against me in Trollshido. You really ought to learn some self control.[/quote]

I posted once on the thread in trollshido, and I didn’t even use any naughty words, so grow up. You came into this discussion and tried to manipulate it from the start, and tried to tell people how to conduct their business, this is not your playground, or any place you have any control, you should have read the rules and observed how things were conducted, before posting, the fact that you didn’t is why nearly all of your posts were trollshido’d, and they weren’t done to be vindictive, the mods here have to read similar garbage all the time, saw yours, and without personal intent put it where it belonged.

That’s ridiculous, the basis of a good lie is to massage the truth into something feasible. TA has gone well beyond that so that most of his story is bullshit, I think it’s possible he actually did convert to christianity, but his narcissistic ego has driven him to create a huge fantasy to make it famous.

Carry on posting stuff that deserves putting in trollshido like the above, which offers nothing to the discussion except some attempt to sway peoples attitude with the use of zero evidence, and don’t be surprised if you are banned. You’ve been told repeatedly to provide actual evidence and have done nothing but claimed his story might be true even if that amazing and we shouldn’t be prejudiced unless we can solidly disprove it. Neither of those will fly here.

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[quote=terrafirma;2295900]Good try Yoj. But don’t use the above as an excuse for not trying the Cantonese test…that is unless you are afraid that your test will fail, and you will find egg on your face.

As someone who is wholly impartial, and who just wants the truth, I wholeheartedly support the idea of putting this test to him. You have to wonder why Yoj and his friends are so afraid?

Regarding “burden of proof” you are incorrect. Those who make slanderous accusations share the burden of proof, and you have so far proved nothing conclusively.[/quote]

Thanks for not reading what I wrote.

I am really not afraid of TA, and I have no idea which friends you are referring to, there is only me here posting.

Science disagrees.

Carry on with your snide remarks in MABS and see what happens. I don’t care either way, we see folk like you all the time here, that prefer their fantasy land to reality. And yes, claiming to want the truth but accepting TA’s story as truth until it is disproven is a fantasy land too.

I see another cull coming.

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So you believe it happened? Sorry, just asking…

Seriously, can’t you folk see the inconsistencies in your arguments? TA’s story may be shown to have holes in it. But the holes in the anti-TA arguments posted here are numerous and gaping. Why not let’s stop knocking each other and have a serious debate. It is crazy to just silence every poster who expresses a view that doesn’t support the motion.

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[quote=terrafirma;2295951]So you believe it happened? Sorry, just asking…

Seriously, can’t you folk see the inconsistencies in your arguments?[/quote] Can’t you prove it instead of repeating this dumb statement over and over again. You say it but when asked you can’ provide facts.

TA’s story may be shown to have holes in it. But the holes in the anti-TA arguments posted here are numerous and gaping.
Thank you. Supporters always go to the anti-TA. No one is anti-TA it is anti-lies.

Yet, after many requests, you have not provided a single action to shot these “gaping holes.”

Your derail consist of this one person did not read the book.
Your arguments are silly.
Your research is silly.
There is nothing proven.

Why not let’s stop knocking each other and have a serious debate.

You started the knocking so, really, shut up. Don’t cry about it now.

It is crazy to just silence every poster who expresses a view that doesn’t support the motion.

Funny, ladida’s posts are still here. Here is what I find funny. You are a lair. You better go back and edit your posts…oh…wait? Yeah.

I’ll let you stew and then point out YOUR inconsistencies.

What I will do is see about getting your access removed so, you can stop derailing the thread.

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“God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

Mr P, your planned meeting with TA is fantastic news, and I am sure you are the right one to do it, as you have the least confrontational approach and your sincerity and desire to establish the truth is clear.

My son has recorded the Wednesday evening interview, and I am hoping to watch it sometime over this weekend. If I feel there is anything significant in it, I will try to post here.

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[quote=It is Fake;2294529]Welcome to trollshido.

After reading the thread, to cull innocuous posts, holly crap you are a douchebag terrafirma.[/quote]

Bullshido forum rules: “By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.”

“Out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks.” Consider what your vile, obscene and untempered language reveals.

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[quote=terrafirma;2297211]Bullshido forum rules: “By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.”

“Out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks.” Consider what your vile, obscene and untempered language reveals.[/quote]

Douchebag can’t read?
Bullshido Community Rules and Standards of Conduct - No BS MMA and Martial Arts

Bullshido.net terms of service.

Look, we’ve never been the type of community operating under strict, authoritarian rules; things work better when individuals hold themselves and each other responsible for their actions. This approach might come as a shock to a lot of people, and definitely runs contrary to just about every “civilized” society on the planet at the moment.

But frankly you get more accomplished when you let everyone have an equal opportunity to stand on a soapbox because:

1. Those with the least worthy opinions always yell the loudest to get as much attention as possible.
2. They’re generally too busy making noise to notice their audience slowly nudging said soapbox toward the cliff outside of town while they ramble on with their nonsense.

The best part of such a policy when it comes to online communities is that before the better members inevitably run the rif-raff “out of town”, they’ve already left a permanent record of their idiocy for the world, which fully justifies such a response.

So do you get it now? Here’s the “Golden Rule” of Bullshido:
Rule #1: Don’t be an Asshole.

“Wha???”, you may ask. “I thought you guys prided yourselves on being assholes?”

Then buddy, you were wrong.

Take a moment and watch this video. Actually, don’t watch it because the video footage is hilariously unrelated to the point. But LISTEN to it. Contains NSFW audio (NAUGHTY LANGUAGE).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKk2QYluFys&feature=player_embedded

If after this, you’re still confused, you should probably just go away because you’re going to have a hard time around here. Yep, that’s right, we’d rather have 10,000 thick-skinned, intellectually-tough, rational members who “get it” than 1,000,000 dumbasses who either shit all over the forums, or piss and moan every time someone points out the flaws in their argument/thinking/training/skills/lineage/credibility/existence.

Please try again.

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[quote=terrafirma;2297209]“God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
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“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!”

See I can quote Scripture too. If you want this to be about Mr. Anthony’s faith, I can make it that too. However, there is more than enough to work with without drawing in the faith and religion portion.

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I don’t want to trade insults. Let’s wait for the outcome of Mr P’s meeting with TA and then go from there. I think it will be significant.

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How was that in any way an insult? It’s no wonder you’ve ended up with so many posts in trollshido when you misinterpret what peopla are saying.

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Sorry, what I was trying to say was that I don’t want to continue to trade insults with It is Fake, just to bring it to an end.

I remain very interested in the outcome of Mr P’s meeting, which I believe is the most useful development so far. The quotation was meant as an encouragement to Mr. P., who is a Christian, as he goes forward to this meeting.

In the meantime I am continuing my own enquiries and am talking to some who are very close to TA.

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[quote=terrafirma;2297951]Sorry, what I was trying to say was that I don’t want to continue to trade insults with It is Fake, just to bring it to an end. [/quote]Actually you do or you would have waited like you just claimed. It wasn’t necessary to address my post.

You keep whining why don’t you go back and read YOUR POSTS.
You are not neutral like you claim.

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Seriously, so fucking what if he’s a Christian or not? What bearing does that have on whether or not TA is a lying decietful fraud, or honest and upfront?

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[quote=terrafirma;2297951]Sorry, what I was trying to say was that I don’t want to continue to trade insults with It is Fake, just to bring it to an end.
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Then why didn’t you say that yesterday when you were on or why didn’t you quite him? Instead you waited until I posted what I did and had it right after mine a whole day after IIF posted.

I remain very interested in the outcome of Mr P’s meeting, which I believe is the most useful development so far.

We all remain interested, but it may not be “the most useful development” if Tony acts like he has when questioned by others.

The quotation was meant as an encouragement to Mr. P., who is a Christian, as he goes forward to this meeting.

Please just stop. You know that is not how you meant it. Stop making it up as you go along.

“There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him:
haughty eyes, a lying tongue, …”

In the meantime I am continuing my own enquiries and am talking to some who are very close to TA.

Care to share anything yet. You have yet to provide anything of substance. Some info would be greatly appreciated rather than attack when others shoot down your ineptness at debate and discussion.

Also, when are you going to apologize for claiming I did not read the book?

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Terrafirma in “full of shit” shocker.

And terrafirma, before you get all belligerant about the language, you are the main reason these posts are in trollshido, for your utter lack of providing anything of value to the thread.

Shit or get off the pot.

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[quote=SantaDog;2298064]Then why didn’t you say that yesterday when you were on or why didn’t you quite him? Instead you waited until I posted what I did and had it right after mine a whole day after IIF posted. [/quote] Cause it is a lie. The vulgar language rant was posted earlier, directed at someone else. So, it was a general statement but, became specific, as usual, when terrafirma backtracks.

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You guys are getting really sad. Sorry, I can’t help laughing, but really you are tragic. Why not calm down and grow up. Your world is very small indeed.

There are two reasons why this had been moved to Trollshido:

  1. Because Its a Fake looks so ridiculous from his posts, and is afraid that the general public might see them.

  2. Because this is where I wanted it.

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oh yes, the “this was my plan all along” defense.

No it wasn’t, and it’s obvious to everyone else, guess what, you aren’t the first to come through these forums and end up doing this, it’s a pattern and an obvious one, you are completely unoriginal.

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You guys are getting really sad. Sorry, I can’t help laughing, but really you are tragic.
Tragic is someone claiming to be “wholly impartial” while insulting every person investigating claims.

Why not calm down and grow up.
Should we act like you?
Do you remember how you went off on SC before I ever posted?
Do you remember how you went of on Yoj before I posted?

If that is calm and grown up I know a grade school that you can go to maybe, you can lean something from the kindergartners.

Your world is very small indeed.
I wish you’d re-read your posts, like I asked, before typing this drivel. Small world people, like you, tend to want frauds to be able to “live and let live.”

You know, if his message helps turn people to Christianity then it is okay.

There are two reasons why this had been moved to Trollshido:

Really there is only one.

  1. Because Its a Fake looks so ridiculous from his posts,
    According to you? The person who somehow knew what pages to quote when, they were waiting for the book to arrive? If you say so.

and is afraid that the general public might see them.

The General public can see these posts.

  1. Because this is where I wanted it.

Blatant lie:

That is the problem with “criticism with a knife” (i.e. censorship). It is hard to get any sort of true idea about what is going on when voices are being arbitrarily silenced.

Welcome Ladida. I am keeping quiet at the moment, having had all but one of my previous posts deleted. But you are not the only open-minded person here.

You wouldn’t complain if this was where you wanted these posts.

We know where you are headed:

P.S. You are supposed to crow when the entire thread is moved to trollshido not the stupid parts.