[QUOTE=Diesel_tke;3032815]You are talking about selling/producing/marketing cigarettes. Not smoking. [/quote]
I was definitely referring to smoking. As in "the act of someone getting addicted to smoking will send himself/herself to the grave faster. "
You ever take a lit cigarette and put it in someone’s face? Or touch someone with a lit cigarette? If you don’t think it would be an effective defense, your world view is a bit more isolated than mine. Travel in some different circles for a while. You may benefit from stepping outside your bubble.
Lol. And then what happens after you do those things? Your attacker runs for their lives? If that happens, then I’ll agree that smoking has self defence value.
[QUOTE=Awesomeg;3032919]I was definitely referring to smoking. As in "the act of someone getting addicted to smoking will send himself/herself to the grave faster. "
Lol. And then what happens after you do those things? Your attacker runs for their lives? If that happens, then I’ll agree that smoking has self defence value.[/QUOTE]
Do you work in Law Enforcement, the Military, in a Psych Ward, a Corrections Facility, or as a security employee or security contractor?
[QUOTE=Diesel_tke;3032816]Oh, and that could still have defensive value. Depends on what you are defending against. If would be a defense against over population. The best? No. But it WOULD have value.[/QUOTE]
Except that I did not say defense as in general but I used the word “self defense”. You somehow dropped the word “self” intentionally.
[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3032920]Do you work in Law Enforcement, the Military, in a Psych Ward, a Corrections Facility, or as a security employee or security contractor?[/QUOTE]
Do you?
[QUOTE=Awesomeg;3032922]Do you?[/QUOTE]
I have been paid to work in Psych Wards, in Corrections Facilities, and I have been a paid security employee and a paid security contractor.
None of those things are my paid profession at the moment, however.
Except perhaps in the sense of a different kind of security contractor.
Now kindly answer the question in return:
[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3032920]Do you work in Law Enforcement, the Military, in a Psych Ward, a Corrections Facility, or as a security employee or security contractor?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3032924]I have worked in Psych Wards, in Corrections Facilities, and I have been a paid security employee and paid security contractor.
None of those things are my paid profession at the moment, however.
Now kindly answer the question in return:[/QUOTE]
I knew you were going to say yes. However you may be lying about your experience. As for your question, I work as a bodyguard for the President. See how easy it is to lie?
[QUOTE=Awesomeg;3032926]I knew you were going to say yes. However you may be lying about your experience. As for your question, I work as a bodyguard for the President.[/QUOTE]
And, how did you know that I was going to say yes?
Regarding your claim to work as a bodyguard for the President,
are you paid to do this work by the Federal government,
or do you do this work at your own election, as a volunteer,
at the ready should the need arise or if called?
[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3032927]And, how did you know that I was going to say yes?[/quote]
Because people can lie.
Regarding your claim to work as a bodyguard for the President,
are you paid to do this work by the Federal government,
or do you do this work at your own election, as a volunteer,
at the ready should the need arise or if called?
As to your claim of working in Psych Wards and Corrections Facilities, may I know if one of them is Arkham Asylum?
[QUOTE=Awesomeg;3032928]Because people can lie.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, people can lie, and often do.
[QUOTE=Awesomeg;3032928]
As to your claim of working in Psych Wards and Corrections Facilities, may I know if one of them is Arkham Asylum?[/QUOTE]
No. This was not one of the facilities I worked at.
In fact, I believe that is a reference to a fictional facility.
Kindly answer the question:
[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3032927]Regarding your claim to work as a bodyguard for the President,
are you paid to do this work by the Federal government,
or do you do this work at your own election, as a volunteer,
at the ready should the need arise or if called?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3032929]Indeed, people can lie, and often do.[/quote]
Like you?
No. This was not one of the facilities I worked at.
In fact, I believe that is a reference to a fictional facility.
Kindly answer the question:
I play the role of bodyguard when the President makes a visit to the space colony on Mars.
[QUOTE=Awesomeg;3032930]Like you?[/QUOTE]
In this case, like you, ie you are the one lying.
Case in point:
[QUOTE=Awesomeg;3032930]
I play the role of bodyguard when the President makes a visit to the space colony on Mars.[/QUOTE]
In any case, to your original point, your need for self-defense, can largely be mitigated by avoidance strategies, rather than hand to hand combat training, unless you are:
an inmate,
a child in a school,
you work in Law Enforcement,
you work in Corrections,
you work in a Psych Unit,
you are a physical security employee / contractor,
or you are in the Military (and even then, firearms training would take precedence over hand to hand training).
Even in those professional roles, diffusion and avoidance strategies are often used in priority to hand to hand tactics, although in those roles, more difficult to avoid hand to hand scenarios are much more common than for the general population.
[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3032931]In this case, like you, ie you are the one lying.[/quote]
I never made any denial of lying unlike certain people…
Case in point…
In any case, to your original point, your need for self-defense, can largely be mitigated by avoidance strategies, rather than hand to hand combat training, unless you are:
an inmate,
a child in a school,
you work in Law Enforcement,
you work in Corrections,
you work in a Psych Unit,
you are a physical security employee / contractor,
or you are in the Military (and even then, firearms training would take precedence over hand to hand training).
Some strategy “taking a lit cigarette and put it in someone’s face or touching someone with a lit cigarette” is. What a great avoidance strategy that is sure to make people run away rather than attack you.
[QUOTE=Awesomeg;3032932]I never made any denial of lying unlike certain people…[/QUOTE]
If you do not deny that you lie, then you are more honest than most people.
[QUOTE=Awesomeg;3032932]
Some strategy “taking a lit cigarette and put it in someone’s face or touching someone with a lit cigarette” is. [/QUOTE]
I did not post on that strategy, or about that strategy.
Although, as a youth, I did intercede to stop another large youth from putting his lit cigarette into the eye of a smaller youth that he was holding down.
Whether he would have put that lit cigarette into the eye of the other youth if I had not interceded, I’ll never know.
I would like to think that he would not have, but at the time, the threat of him proceeding to do so seemed entirely credible.
[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3032933]If you do not deny that you lie, then you are more honest than most people.[/quote]
I sure am.
[quote=Dr. Gonzo;3032933]
I did not post on that strategy, or about that strategy.[/quote]
My comment was this
Lol. And then what happens after you do those things? Your attacker runs for their lives? If that happens, then I’ll agree that smoking has self defence value.
And you replied by saying this
Do you work in Law Enforcement, the Military, in a Psych Ward, a Corrections Facility, or as a security employee or security contractor?
Surely you meant to say that I had no right to state what I just stated unless I worked in one of those fields.
[QUOTE=Awesomeg;3032934]
Surely you meant to say that I had no right to state what I just stated unless I worked in one of those fields.[/QUOTE]
No, I meant to point out that avoidance strategies are the most effective self-defense approach for the general population, far more efficacious, high yield, and lower risk than hand to hand training.
And being able to run fast is better self defense than being able to perform hand to hand well, in almost all cases, at least for the general population.
For that matter the pattern of making good choices about one’s safety is often more important than the ability to perform hand to hand well, when it comes to self-defense.
[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3032935]No, I meant to point out that avoidance strategies are the most effective self-defense approach for the general population, far more efficacious, high yield, and lower risk than hand to hand training.
And being able to run fast is better self defense than being able to perform hand to hand well, in almost all cases, at least for the general population.[/QUOTE]
Then there was a misunderstanding then. I apologize for that even if it’s not common for Bullshido members to apologize. But you really should have explained yourself more clearly.
[QUOTE=Awesomeg;3032936]Then there was a misunderstanding then. I apologize for that even if it’s not common for Bullshido members to apologize. [/QUOTE]
It is not uncommon for Bullshido members to apologize.
Apologies are empty things, though, compared to other methods of correcting one’s possible prior missteps.
You could simply have a ‘do over’, be sincere this time, and answer the question whether you have any professional duties in the fields that I listed, which might have a higher expected frequency than the general population occupations of physical force on force in their daily routines.
[QUOTE=Awesomeg;3032936]
But you really should have explained yourself more clearly.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you were merely frustrated with the prior conversation you were having and made assumptions defensively, and decided to respond in a snippy manner?
You can reply in snippy manners if you choose, it’s YMAS, after all…
[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3032937]
You could simply have a ‘do over’, be sincere this time, and answer the question whether you have any professional duties in the fields that I listed, which might have a higher expected frequency than the general population occupations of physical force on force in their daily routines.
[/QUOTE]
No,I do not work in any of those fields but I maintain that the action of lighting a cigarette or putting it in their face or whatever doesn’t make the attacker want to run away. In fact he will just get more pissed that you burnt his face.
[QUOTE=Awesomeg;3032940]I maintain that the action of lighting a cigarette or putting it in their face or whatever doesn’t make the attacker want to run away. In fact he will just get more pissed that you burnt his face.[/QUOTE]
I was not the poster with whom you were conversing about that matter.
[QUOTE=Awesomeg;3032919]I was definitely referring to smoking. As in "the act of someone getting addicted to smoking will send himself/herself to the grave faster. "
Lol. And then what happens after you do those things? Your attacker runs for their lives? If that happens, then I’ll agree that smoking has self defence value.[/QUOTE]
You don’t have to make someone run away to be defensive. You assume a lot. It also seems like you haven’t been in many altercations. That’s just my perception. You don’t have to touch someone to be defensive. Or self defense. If someone is stepping toward you, in a threatening manner, or attempts to strike you, and you throw a cigarette in their face or blow smoke in their face, it may give you the opportunity to distract him enough to run away. Thus using your cigarette in a valid method of self defense. Accompanied with other techniques like running. You could also use it to distract and then dump the dude on his head.
I never said burn them in the face and watch them run away. You assumed what I was talking about and you assumed my strategy. You should try to assume less in the future.
You ever shine a flashlight in someone’s eyes? Also good for self defense.