SCARS Practitioners Allegedly Abuse Captives

Just for Chuckles:

Navy investigates photos of SEALs, prisoners
Saturday, December 4, 2004 Posted: 3:44 PM EST (2044 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) – The U.S. Navy is looking into whether photographs on the Internet that seem to show Navy SEALs posing with Iraqi prisoners show any evidence of prisoner abuse, Navy officials said.

About 200 photos were posted on a Web site that now cannot be accessed. A senior Navy official said only a few of the pictures seem suspect, and none can be determined to clearly show abuse without knowing the context.

The Associated Press released photos that show what seems to be commandos sitting on hooded and handcuffed detainees, hooded prisoners in the back of a truck with someone’s foot on one of the people, a prisoner at gunpoint, a smiling military member with hooded prisoners in a photo “date stamped” May 2003, and U.S. military personnel constraining someone.

The official said pictures may show “inappropriate conduct” – with members of a SEAL team “hamming it up” – but that doesn’t necessarily equate to abusive behavior.

If the preliminary investigation suggests criminal wrongdoing, the Navy Criminal Investigative Service will be called in.

Jeff Bender, a Naval Special Warfare Command spokesman, said an Associated Press reporter informed the command last week about unofficial photos depicting Naval Special Warfare members with detainees.

The SEALs – which stands for Navy Sea, Air, Land – are part of the Naval Special Warfare Command.

“Some of the photos appear to show detainees following their capture or during transit by Naval Special Warfare forces in 2003,” Bender said. "The matter is currently under investigation by Naval Special Warfare to determine if the Naval Special Warfare personnel acted properly.

“There are strict Navy regulations prohibiting the photographing of detainees for other than official purposes. Additionally, prior to deployment, Naval Special Warfare personnel are instructed that taking unofficial photographs of POWs and detainees is prohibited.”

Bender said the number of people involved remains under investigation. The Navy is still working on identifying the personnel involved and cannot say whether they remain in Iraq or not.

The Associated Press said one of its reporters found more than 40 photos posted on a “commercial photo-sharing Web site by a woman who said her husband brought them from Iraq after his tour of duty.”

Images of Iraqi prisoners abused by U.S. military personnel at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq that surfaced earlier this year shocked the world and led to courts-martial.

Washington Producer Sharona Schwartz and Senior Pentagon Correspondent Jamie McIntyre contributed to this report

Please provide the link to the orginal article next time.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/12/04/seals.photos/index.html

Can’t wait until KFss sees this…

Jack, just to let ya know I ain’t directing any of this towards ya, I know ya just posted this article.

Man, I’m fucking pissed. Upon looking at these photos, these SEALs have done nothing wrong. That’s right, not a goddamn thing as those who have been there, done that will know these pic shave no kind of weight whatsoever. They might catch some shit for the pic of the boot to the neck or the weapons to the head but who gives a fuck. God forbid these fucking animals get roughed up or a bloody nose. These people are the fucking enemy and are lucky to still be alive after facing a Seal Team.

I was saying to Brandeissansoo yesterday that it makes no sense to make a big deal over this. SEALs are not prison guards; they’re door-kickers. If they have someone in custody they just got him, and one should expect a few bloody noses and a little physical control. Those guys are just lucky to be alive.

This is a complete non-issue.

It blows me away that some are already comparing this to Abu Grabass. But that’s to be expected, I guess.

From what I’ve SEEN, that would be completely ridiculous. Doesn’t anyone watch COPs?

Funny you mention that. It seems like the guys in the sandbox are expected to perform in an envronment far more dangerous than one would ever see on COPS, but to do so with a level of sensitivity and restraint that is quite restrictive.

Well, anyway, it just seems that way sometimes…

I agree.

I can’t figure out why these guys were even taking prisoners to begin with. SEALs (which I have the utmost respect for) are not cops - they’re killers. They’re the best at what they do.

They shouldn’t be arresting these guys. They should be slitting their throats.

I know if I had a squad of SEALs bust down my door, I’d crap my pants.

I’d also rather take a couple tolchoks to the gulliver than some 5.56 to the dome.

It’s like what the fuck are they supposed to use, harsh language?

Verbal Judo

But only if there is nothing culturally offensive in the message. We cannot lower ourselves to the level of the morally corrupt.

I think Kano took out all the profanity and politically incorrect terms when he refined Verbal Ju-Jistu

Yeah, I generally keep my opinions about SEALs to myself because DEVGRU probably knows where I live and will beat me in my sleep. :icon_eek: :laughing7 :laughing7

This just in, Iraqi captive punched in the face, suffers “shiner”.

[Japanese accent]

No, my son. They must use…KIAI JUTSU!

[/Japanese accent]

Gotta love the media, they do enjoy making a mountain out of a mole hill.

I will never understand the reasoning behind putting elite units as prison guards, they did the same shit with the Canadian airborne regiment in Somalia, and that turned out so freaking well…

And why the fuck is anyone STILL taking pictures of shit like this anyways ???

I wish somebody would tell that to the idiots at the NSWC and their Duane Dieter COI.

“Anytime force is used there will be repercussions and CQD employs only what is required to accomplish defensive goals.” “Measured Use Of Force” in the S.W.A.T. magazine article

and-

[b]The new CFC COI is 5 days of full contact CQD training…Students will learn their personal capabilities and limitations through real contact…Topics covered are:

A. Use of Force
B. Rules of engagement
C. Direct Defense Skills
D. Weapon and Zone control
E. Prisoner Control
F. Operation Physical Training[/b] NSWC document