I’ve never had to use exceptions to show the effectiveness of bjj. I can do that anytime someone walks into my school (frequent). My school is not exceptional. In fact considering our highest ranking two guys are brown belts, that the school isn’t very big and only has one or two solid mma guys it is probably the opposite. Nonetheless, most of our guys can handle themselves. With bjj. Not inate toughness.
And what, pray tell, is the catch-all?
Fake records from nonexistant feudal japan ninjitsu heroes?
Well then, that makes ZERO ninja’s that have shown effectiveness in NHB events.
In a controlled school environment. How much striking do you typically do during the free movement phase? Can you strike on the ground at all there, or is it just straight grappling? Do you always do gi or sometimes no-gi? Any one of these can be a factor. I’m not saying many of the guys in your school cannot fight effectively, but how many of them have gotten a good solid punch to the jaw or a knee to the ribs? The same goes with the Booj, there are many who can fight well in those conditions but have not taken that many punches in their life. If either someone from my school or your school trains appropriately enough, however, they’ll learn to take those punches and knees and keep their cool and be better fighters because of it.
I’ve already shown you that that’s wrong as well.
http://www.columbusninjutsuclub.com/instructors.html
Dan Buckley is an EFC Lightweight Champion who fought in one of the same tournaments as Primo/Acekicken did a little over a year ago. So that’s at least one ninja who has. :eusa_danc
Please, tell us the secret!
What is the proof of total teh deadly!!!
I’ve never in any of my convos said ninjutsu is th3 d34dly, I’ve just said it is effective if you train properly in it. Any martial art can be effective if you train to be effective, but if you don’t it doesn’t matter what you take, you’re going to get your ass kicked.
That’s not what I said, is it?
Considering I train with a bunch of rowdies, it certainly isn’t the case.
Yes or no: Most ninjas do this.
So every training session is a virtual free-for-all similar to a rugby scrum?
So, when did this post become a “who can kick who’s ass” discussion. I’m pretty sure this started as a discussion which partially touched on the value training in a crawl, walk, run manner.
It became one when the overwhelming presense of shitty fighters in ninjitsu was defended by a random few who can use it decently, while also trying to devaluating other arts that produce a high volume of good fighters by saying “they have bad fighters too”.
Then, what is?
I’ve only seen about three schools from the Bujinkan, but out of those three, I’d say two of them teach effectively. Every school in the Booj is different as each instructor has his/her own take on what’s important and what’s not. The third school had a head instructor who was deeply into the esoteric side of the martial arts, so his students tended to be a lot more cerebral and did not do as much practical exercise. The other school I’ve seen from mine is run by a godan who’s been a cop for many years, and spent about half his career in SWAT. He mostly focuses on self-defense using ninjutsu, and they go at it pretty hard for the most part. Those are the only schools I’ve seen, but from what I’ve seen, yes, for the most part, a good Bujinkan instructor will teach someone how to fight effectively.
About 30-35. None of them could fight a brown, soggin paper bag.
Can you read?
There was no implication that I was referring to training in regards to “rowdiness”.
Quite simply, again, people that train in “sport arts” don’t need to find exceptions to demonstrate fighting ability. The average guy at their school probably has it.
The only school even near you is under Shihan Carlos Etchegaray, and it’s not even that big. Shihan Etchegaray is a 13th dan too, so he knows what he’s talking about and probably teaches really well. So you’re either a) full of shit, or b) including the other Ashida ninja clones who frequent ArtoftheNinja.com and think that by picking up an Ashida Kim book they can become th3 d34dly.
Provided, of course, it’s in an environment he’s comfortable with. How well do you think they would do in a kickboxing match, using only their stand-up skills? This is the point I’m trying to get at. No martial art is complete, it’s how you take what you’ve learned with it so far and add on to it that makes it effective.