You are a tool.
I may be, but I’m a tool with some good points.
No, you’re blind and are missing the point:
Some arts consistently produce good fighters, some don’t.
Exceptions don’t disqualify this statement.
This is as much about the style as it is about the individual.
Supplementary evidence:
Your videos attempting to validate ninjitsu practice sucked.
But a good fighter is one who’s well-rounded overall. BJJ definitely has its place, but I’d much rather use something else in my stand-up game. So if it’s a straight grappling-only match, naturally the BJJ fighter would be the better. If it’s stand-up only against a skilled striker, he’ll end up looking like some rookie white belt and will probably get his butt kicked. Martial arts are designed for you to use them where you can capitalize on your strengths, and if you fight where you’re the weakest, you’re going to be a shitty fighter.
Supplementary evidence:
Your videos attempting to validate ninjitsu practice sucked.
There’s not that many videos out there to pick from, unlike MT and BJJ where you can find hundreds with a simple Google search. Most of the videos are designed for the students so they can see some of the techniques they’re supposed to learn from, not between two guys fighting in a ring. The majority of the videos out there are either stances, ukemi, or the Kihon Happo, the basics that you learn off of slowly from the beginning then begin to build henka around. If all you’re seeing is the basics taught in a dojo environment, it’s obviously not going to appear the same as if it were in a ring or a real-life situation.
Look at the video of the Kuk Sul Won practitioner dropping the pimp with a shuto to the neck. It’s nowhere close to the same you’ll see in the soft and slow demonstrations they’ll show on other schools’ websites. It sure as hell worked though.
Oh my god. You conflate the most bizzarely seperate arguments.
BJJ isn’t good for striking?
Who knew?
And you totally missed the point :tard: You’re expecting other arts to be effective underneath the rules and regulations of other arts different from their own, essentially saying that if say ninjutsu can’t beat BJJ then BJJ rules all. But then you want the ninjutsu practitioners to fight under the same rules as BJJ does and in the same environment. BJJ spends all its time on the ground, whereas ninjutsu has many different areas to cover, a sort of jack of all trades type deal. Obviously an art that specializes in one thing and one thing only is going to beat the majority of other arts in that particular avenue. Ninjutsu also teaches swordmanship, but we won’t be beating any Batto or Kenjutsu practitioners anytime soon. Same with archery and Kyudo, knives and Eskrima, punching and boxing, etc.
KotoRyu.
I well know where there are faults in bjj training. A hell of a lot better than you do.
I (and the rest of the world that watches pride ufc etc) also realize that people trained in it stand a lot better chance fighting than some nambypamby ninja wannabe who primarily only does prescripted drills against zombie chocks. Why? The training methodology.
Since we’re playing the hypothetical game (where a straight bjjer goes into a kickboxing match, wtf?), can the average ninjitsu practicioner handle the average bjj practicioner in an unarmed fight? 1 time out of 10?
Not if the videos you’ve posted are any indication of the general state of ninjitsu.
p.s. if you could read, you’d realize I never faulted ninjitsu for not being able to hang on the ground with bjj. That would be absurd. I’m saying they can’t hang in a fight.
As I’ve said, the videos just show the beginner techniques for the students, the bare-bones, most basic stuff in the Booj. Watching those is virtually the same as watching someone do ground transition drills or get walked through a demonstration of a double-leg.
How can you possibly know that for sure? How many BKers have you fought? A lot of people didn’t think tai chi/kung fu guys couldn’t fight, but RM made a good show of himself. If you want to go back to the argument about experience, then what’s to say an experienced Booj practitioner CAN’T defend himself if obviously experience makes a big difference?
Your circular logic and self rationalization makes me weary.
Your post:
There’s never really any good clips out there on the Bujinkan to be honest, but I managed to get a bunch together that are probably some of the better ones out there.
I’m basing my [b]general[/b] assessment of ninjas and ninjaism on the apparent state of things. Where crap is the best demonstration of h2h. Where no one sees ninjas actually sparring or fighting.
What am I to base it on but what I’m given?
Good way to dodge the question. If you’ve never trained/sparred with Booj members, you’ll never know if it has something to offer or not.
What am I to base it on but what I’m given?
I agree, as it is difficult to find clips supporting these. I’m sure there are some out there, however, it’s just that there are nowhere near as many Booj members as there are kickboxers, grapplers, and the like, so naturally there’s going to be a lot smaller selection of videos to choose from.
B.S. I knew bjj produces fighters and can teach people to fight on the ground. I knew because I could find evidence demonstrating that.
What can I find online about ninjitsu? Apologies for its sad and scant representation.
In other words, I know what I need to know. It is unlikely I’ll find a ninja able to teach me more about fighting than I can get from even just specialized groundfighting training.
As for your circular logic, I’ve quoted you once to demonstrate that. Shall I continue?
luk ok i haev koncloosiv proof taht ninjas sukk b/c 1 time teh preisdant wuz kidnapped by ninjas and i had 2 kill tehm all adn yeah i’m prettay sure tehre wuz at leest 1 end-boss frum each ryu, inkludang ur spesifak skule :qleft5:
As I’ve said, the videos just show the beginner techniques for the students, the bare-bones, most basic stuff in the Booj.
Right. Ceasar Gracie (to use an example you could potentially see and compare) also demonstrates the beginning, bare-bones arm bar… but it’s crisp, tight, proper etc.
In other words, even the most basic stuff in the Booj sucks. With a foundation like that, my intuition tells me the “advanced” stuff is pretty rickety.
Just remember the old acronym for assume. People assumed kenpo was terrible until they were proven otherwise by Clyde at Vegas. Same with Shum who often says kung fu blows and that kung fuers can’t fight but certainly had trouble dealing with one on his own. Same with KM saying that TKD sucks then getting worked over by Os. If you honestly believe you know all you need to know about it, then you’re only really fooling yourself.