Well?
On the ground or when standing. The mechanics look diferent to me.
don’t let people near your legs?
Ask Omega.
So…uh…what time to the MMA or Sambo guys log on? . . .
hey Omar, how do you guard against getting punched in the face?
In judo it was generally a matter of, like brand says, trying to put him in a position where locks and holds are more difficult to perform.
Originally posted by knight_errant
In judo it was generally a matter of, like brand says, trying to put him in a position where locks and holds are more difficult to perform.
Sheer… brilliance…
easier in judo though since its illegal to use leg locks.
Originally posted by brandeissansoo
hey Omar, how do you guard against getting punched in the face?
Keep your hands up, especially the rear one.
Be carefull when you throw a low round to bring up that rear hand or your catch it in the face when he leg blocks.
When you getting a real barrage cover up crazy monkey style or bring both forearms together, elbows touching and use it like a shield.
Hide a bit behind your lead shoulder.
You want more? Cuz I could keep going. Now how about some practical advice on leg locks guys?
Not picking on you specifically but your posts are the only ones specific enough even to quote:
Originally posted by brandeissansoo
don’t let people near your legs?
You kick. I block. I am now near your leg.
I thnk there are a few things to help you not get leg locked. So here is what I do.
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Keep your range. If someone has your leg, use the length of your leg to make it difficult for them to get you. If you have shorter legs, keep pulling away so they need to reach forward to get your leg. If you have longer legs, drive your legs past and behind them. Its much easier when your legs are longer because a) They cant achilles lock (straight ankle lock) when they are too high on your leg, and b) they cant get your heel when it is far behind them.
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Control. Dont let them control your leg with their hips. If they dont have their legs triangled perfectly, you should always be able to split their legs and pry them apart using your free leg. If they dont contorl your thigh, they cant leglock you. So pry their legs apart with your free leg and you have free motion and can move as youd wish.
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Attack Attack and then Attack. If someone is always on the run, they cant gather much of an offense. So when someone is trying to leglock me, I fight back and rather than just defending, I Attack back and work for their legs. Now for some, this is stupid, but bear with me for a second. You need to get familiar with leglocks so you can defend without even paying attention to them. We used to do leglock drills where we would both be in a leglock position, and then both fight for the tap. Now do this quite a bit, and then start closing your eyes. I can defend leglocks with my eyes closed, because I dont need to see what they are doing, I can just feel it. So the next thing I did was drill leglocks until I didnt need to even think about defending, I just did it and paid no attention to them. Now while they are paying attention to trying to lock my leg, I attack theirs. This does one of two things… a) I break their ankle, or b) they stop attacking my leg and defend their own. Most people cant do both at once, I can. But its from doing lots of drills and being very familiar with them all.
This isnt so much about guarding them, but counterring them. There are so many ways into leglocks, its a much faster route to get good at defending when in them, than to try and stay out of them. Hope it helps.
Thank you.
Really.
Now if only there was Sambo here in China. I finnalyu found some Judo but they don’t so leg locks…which is exactly why I’m nervous about them.
2 + 3 I think I understand but number 1…
What is the optimal range to get the lock on. I think I see how the ankle thing works. They need to get your ankle under their anrmpit? But for a kneebar I’m still confused. But basically it sounds like there is an optimum amount of leg they need to “suck up” to get good torque and if I can become sensitive to that, then I can give them either too much or too little.
There is more more question I am really curious about. I have seen a number of apparent leg locks where one guy was still standing and I would have thought that if you had your foot planted on the ground you wouldn’t be able to get the leverage to lock it up but I saw a couple clips where people did just that…!!! Is that the hips again? Like, if they get to control with their hips, then even though they are upside down and you can brace against the floor, they will still have enough leverage to fuck you up?
Thanks again.
Well for a kneebar, you always want to pull away. You put your opposite knee to their ass and push away.
Standing leglocks are a joke for the most part, yes they will work once in a while… but dont even bother trying them. 9 times out fo 10 they are a waste of time and only put you in bad places.
Besides what J-lau said let me add;
Learn to use your legs as arms. Most of the time if you learn how the leg lock pressure is applied you can use your leg/feet, arms, and hands to unstructure the support system that’s giving your opponent leverage to put the leg lock on.
Tell me if you need me to expand on that.
I don’t do leglocks, but when someone is a leglock “expert” isn’t it generally adviced to stick to closed guard or butterfly guard, and not the other types of open guard?
It is a lot easier to defens them in no-gi. I love it when someone trys to crank my ankle in a gi and the look of frustration as I just ride it up to the mount.
Originally posted by J-Lau
Standing leglocks are a joke for the most part, yes they will work once in a while…
So I take it you see them on the highlight reels because they are so difficult to pull off. If some fighter does that, it’s the kind of thing that makes you go WW and take note.
:eek:
Omega,
I like that idea of using legs like arms. It reminds my of when I was a kid watching black belt theatre and I totally misunderstood this whole little speech that was given about using your ‘whole body’. I think he was talking about whole body power but when I got into fights on the playground I took it to mean more like what you said. lol. Hey it worked too! I was out there in my primitive 10 year old way, tying up legs and trying to use my “whole body”
:rolleyes:
A couple specifics about what their “support system” is would be usefull though.
Thanks in advance.
Originally posted by mikus
I don’t do leglocks, but when someone is a leglock “expert” isn’t it generally adviced to stick to closed guard or butterfly guard, and not the other types of open guard?
If someone is an “expert” and is good at guard breaks then it’ not going to matter.
Honestly, Buy a video or DVD on applying and defending leg locks. That’s really is the best thing for you.
In order to defend against something, you have to understand the mechanics of how it works in the first place.
Get some instructional material, watch it, find a partner and try some things out, and then come back here with more specific questions.
heel hook this, beeyatch!
