To all those commenting on the sand in my vag, let me make it clear one more time what my objection is: I object to the use of a common Italian first name to describe a group of people in a negative way because it associates negativity with ethnicity. I object to the use of “Hymie” for the same reason. I often use “Jody” to refer to African-Americans (never Caribbeans, Africans, etc) in the generic as in “Jody moved out when crazy-whitey moved in” but the term is not used to express negativity. It’s like calling the RVN troops “Pete”, just a generic term.
The reason I turned 180 around on WS’s dislike of Jersey Shore types is because he is Italian-American; he is not expressing any ethnic scorn by using the term, just plain old scorn for behavior.
“Guidos” are not all Italians, and Italians are not all “Guidos”, but “Guido” is an Italian man’s name and anyone who pretends like there is not an attempt to associate the two things in crazy IMO.
[quote=War Wheel;2373576]To all those commenting on the sand in my vag, let me make it clear one more time what my objection is: I object to the use of a common Italian first name to describe a group of people in a negative way because it associates negativity with ethnicity. I object to the use of “Hymie” for the same reason. I often use “Jody” to refer to African-Americans (never Caribbeans, Africans, etc) in the generic as in “Jody moved out when crazy-whitey moved in” but the term is not used to express negativity. It’s like calling the RVN troops “Pete”, just a generic term.
The reason I turned 180 around on WS’s dislike of Jersey Shore types is because he is Italian-American; he is not expressing any ethnic scorn by using the term, just plain old scorn for behavior.
“Guidos” are not all Italians, and Italians are not all “Guidos”, but “Guido” is an Italian man’s name and anyone who pretends like there is not an attempt to associate the two things in crazy IMO.
[quote=PointyShinyBurn;2373490]What reason is that? I dislike Dershowitz because his views are unpleasant (but am prepared to be swayed if he introduces me to Natalie Portman, you listening Alan)? What abhorrent political views has Woody Allen expressed? Or does his confoming to stereotype offend you in a manner than is forbidden to the goyim?
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Five words: Touch me and I’ll sue.
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[quote=Kickapoo;2373641]One is a choice and one is not.
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I believe the point he is making (and WW, please correct me if I totally missed what you are trying to say)
is that if it’s ok to openly use slang identified with Italian ethnic origins (wop, guido) Jew (kike or whatever else) which does point to a specific ethnic background, what makes you say that the big N word is any different when used in the context of identifying some trait you happen to look down on?
The way I see it, it’s not much different.
That is not to say you cant or won’t use it in a group of friends of that particular ethnicity that you have known for a long time and are really close to (with them using whatever similar terminology applies to you.)
a lot of people call themselves mentally challenged, or challenged in their mobility, i just call them retards and cripples.
is it a bit like that?
you people aren’t clever enough.
you go to a cripple like: hey man, you’re not challenged in your mobility, fuck that fairy shit, you’re a cripple, but hey, at least you’re not retarded, right?
and to a retard: YOU NO GOOD BRAIN, BUT IS OK, AT LEAST YOU CAN WALK OKAI?
everybody wins.
p.c.= the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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[quote=Sri Hanuman;2373652]But again, some black men in America call themselves and each other the >>N word.
Please explain how that is different.[/quote]
In one instance (the n-word) it is clear they intend for it to remain within that particular group (not saying it does, but that’s not an argument to be made her). They do not put themselves out as wanting to be called n-word; I have not once seen an african american introduce himself to a non-african american as an n-word. I have, however, seen g-words do the same. I have literally seen g-words walking down the Seaside boardwalk (that location may not mean much to you) shouting that they ‘a g-word and proud’. If you do not want to be called something, don’t introduce yourself to me as it.
[quote=Kickapoo;2373650]…no. They call themselves guidos, so people call them it too. [/quote]
They call themselves that; people call them that too. The “so” isn’t quite the case. And yes, I was living in the place where the term was pretty much coined when it was coined.
At any rate, it isn’t unusual for people to adopt or embrace some seemingly negative cultural attribute and turn it into a positive (or at least a positive of sorts). That doesn’t mean that “Guido” can’t be or isn’t used as an insult with an ethnic theme at the same time. It’s really not a tough concept, but it’s very important for people to portray themselves as “color blind” or otherwise free from prejudice, so lots of rhetorical somersaults are necessary to be both free from prejudice and able to go on about Guidos, n1ggers, etc.
im a free spirit, i call anyone anything.
i also like to be creative.
i call black dudes g**ks and asian people naggers, i call irish people chinamen.
why not?
is it really that important?
its about the intention you use in the words, thats what does the trick.
i can stare a black man down and call him buddy or champ or whatever and ill bet you he’ll get pissed off.
ell sometimes i just stare at minorities and hiss: ‘kitchen appliansessssssss…yesss…you like those kitchen applianses dontcha?’
btw did i spell applianses okay?
i sorta guessed how it would be spelled in your crude language.
[quote=Kickapoo;2373657]I have not once seen an african american introduce himself to a non-african american as an n-word.
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I haven’t seen a human carrot walk up to me and introduce himself as a “Guido” either. Or insist that you call him one.
I have, however, seen g-words do the same. I have literally seen g-words walking down the Seaside boardwalk (that location may not mean much to you) shouting that they ‘a g-word and proud’.
Have you ever been to south side Chicago? And did these guys ask to be referred to as a “guido?” No different, IMO, from the “gangsta” subculture, when they walk around shouting the n-word at each other.
If you do not want to be called something, don’t introduce yourself to me as it.
Not trying to be a dick, but when did someone introduce themselves to you as either one of the afformentioned terms, and insist that you call them as such?
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I’m not trying to be a dick here, and I certainly don’t believe in restraining anyone’s freedom of speech or expression. Nor do I feel any particular urge to use either of the terms described above. Nor would I particularly object if someone called me a kike. I just don’t see the call for double standards (if it offends someone, there’s a problem. Period.)
Still, this really is an ongoing issue, and I myself am still trying to understand it in it’s entirety.
[quote=Rivington;2373658]They call themselves that; people call them that too. The “so” isn’t quite the case. And yes, I was living in the place where the term was pretty much coined when it was coined.
At any rate, it isn’t unusual for people to adopt or embrace some seemingly negative cultural attribute and turn it into a positive (or at least a positive of sorts). That doesn’t mean that “Guido” can’t be or isn’t used as an insult with an ethnic theme at the same time. It’s really not a tough concept, but it’s very important for people to portray themselves as “color blind” or otherwise free from prejudice, so lots of rhetorical somersaults are necessary to be both free from prejudice and able to go on about Guidos, n1ggers, etc.[/quote]
[SIZE=2]Because everyone enjoys making absurd arguments, I’ll make one too. Let’s say your name is David. Now let’s say you introduce yourself to someone as Dave. That person calls you Dave. You become enraged. “No!” you protest. “Only other people named David are allowed to call me Dave!”
That seems pretty fucking stupid, doesn’t it? Don’t introduce yourself as something if you don’t want to be called it.
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[quote=Kickapoo;2373670]Because everyone enjoys making absurd arguments, I’ll make one too. Let’s say your name is David. Now let’s say you introduce yourself to someone as Dave. That person calls you Dave. You become enraged. “No!” you protest. “Only other people named David are allowed to call me Dave!” [/quote]
Ah, and you live on the magical planet where people walk up to you and say, “Hello, my new friend. I am a n1gger.”
[quote=Kickapoo;2373670]Because everyone enjoys making absurd arguments, I’ll make one too. Let’s say your name is David. Now let’s say you introduce yourself to someone as Dave. That person calls you Dave. You become enraged. “No!” you protest. “Only other people named David are allowed to call me Dave!”
That seems pretty fucking stupid, doesn’t it? Don’t introduce yourself as something if you don’t want to be called it.
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You’re comparing callind someone “David” to calling someone a Niga.
[quote=Sri Hanuman;2373667]I haven’t seen a human carrot walk up to me and introduce himself as a “Guido” either. Or insist that you call him one.
Have you ever been to south side Chicago? And did these guys ask to be referred to as a “guido?” No different, IMO, from the “gangsta” subculture, when they walk around shouting the n-word at each other.
Not trying to be a dick, but when did someone introduce themselves to you as either one of the afformentioned terms, and insist that you call them as such?
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I’m not trying to be a dick here, and I certainly don’t believe in restraining anyone’s freedom of speech or expression. Nor do I feel any particular urge to use either of the terms described above. Nor would I particularly object if someone called me a kike. I just don’t see the call for double standards (if it offends someone, there’s a problem. Period.)
Still, this really is an ongoing issue, and I myself am still trying to understand it in it’s entirety.[/quote]
AFAIK, New Jersey is the mecca of these g-words. I have had them insist I call them by that, or their name. Usually I use their name to avoid confusion and the g-word to apply to the subculture as a whole (note: the subculture, not all Italians. Not all Italians are guidos and not all guidos are Italian). I have not been to Chicago so I cannot comment on that state of affairs. But this entire string of comparison is ridiculous because the n-word and the g-word have entirely different histories and stigmas attached.
