Like many I regard the single knuckle strike as old fashioned nonsense disproved by UFC and Pride. Or so I thought.But actually I don’t think it has been used in either event has it? Is there any empirical evidence to support the widespread belief among contemporary martial artists that Phoenix Eye punching is not effective in a live setting?
Why don’t you go punch someone in the eye and see?
Stop making stupid threads. Also, why is it the “Phoenix” eye strike? Regular old eye strike doesn’t sound cool enough?
He’s talking about striking with a single knuckle, like this:
The reason it’s not used is that it has a zero knockout percentage and is extremely stupid to use in any situation.
ippon ken - for when you want to punch somebody, but feel you’re just not likely enough to hurt yourself in the process.
The question is whether or not there’s evidence that it IS effective. The answer to that is a resounding, “No, not really.” Feel free to try it out, but I don’t imagine it would be any more useful or reliable than just punching someone really hard, whether it’s a sport fight or a real one.
It is only effective in really pissing off your opponent. I’ve been struck in the ribs with it many times and I always said/thought “ow.”
That about sums up its usefulness.
I was punched in the eye with a nakadakaken:
I got a brown eye and a cut in the eyelid… I ko’ed the asshole with a front kick to the midsection. Front kick > knuckle punch.
Keep this shit out of Strikestan.
Where’s the empirical evidence to base the dismissal of this technique?
Nonono. What’s the evidence FOR this technique? The burden of proof is on the person claiming effectiveness, not the other way around.
Also, the evidence in a martial setting is almost never empirical, it is instead anecdotal or situational.
Where’s the empirical evidence on which we can base a dismissal of ballet techniques? We don’t have any MMA footage of tickling failing, either, or headbutting your opponent’s shin until he taps out because he can’t walk.
The evidence is that it’s not used in any MMA fight anywhere, ever.
Why do you ask? You already say it’s bullshit in the first post of this thread.
I know it, I’ve done it. In mma it works for one technique and even then it’s debatable. End of discussion.
Do you have proof of these claims(1 & 2 above) or are you hypothesizing?
Cool, what about outside of MMA? What is the one technique it works for in MMA environment?
RNC…
TheObserver, you have had 3-4 people already giving you personal testimony that its effectiveness is questionable (including a professional fighter with a KF background.)
What more do you want?
Furthermore, just fucking think for Christ’s sake. Effective for what?
To annoy people? Perhaps.
To KO people? Debatable (see personal testimonies given in this thread.)
Does it risk jamming the finger? Yes.
Track record of live usage in combat sports? Zero.
Track record of live usage outside of combat sports? Zero (if I’m mistaken, point to video reference of the contrary.)
For people who claim it’s effective, do they have a verifiable track record? See previous response.
So… what more do you want? Don’t be a retard and think objectively using what we know about human anatomy.
Of course it is useless while wearing mma gloves, for starters.
Interesting point I hadn’t thought of. If you are right that undermines El macho and Steve’s points about no one using it in MMA successfully. Knife attacks are ineffective if you use MMA as a barometer after all so the “not used in MMA” argument falls flat.
El-Macho, what use is the testimony of people on the Internet? There’s plenty of people on the Internet who say God exists or Michael Jackson didn’t blow bubbles. I’m sure that there are people who say Phoenix Eye punch is effective too. Verifiable proof please.
I would think that someone who executed a powerful Phoenix Eye to a sensitive point on the neck would cause a lot of pain or worse. I am not going to volunteer to be a Guinea Pig for sure.