Who has less skill?
The guy rolling around on the ground with both eyes swollen shut, or the one standing over him with nothing but bruised knuckles?
The guy rolling on the ground because he had more control.
Won’t he feel special in the emergency room.
Coyote,
Control was a Janet Jackson song. Don’t appologize for "pimp slappin’ " someone ranked higher than you. It happens in contact sports ppl get smacked. Plus how does a person know how they are going to react in a fight if they never get hit?
:wcacjack
You realize we are funnin with each other right ?
oh yeah…well maybe? (rdrrhahaha) I wouldn’t be here for any other reason. :icon_smil
It is Fake?
I know you were kiddin’; I was saying if his instructor actually had a problem with it the instructor should quit be such a bitch about it.
No shit.
I walked out on that school never to return.
Looking at a decent kickboxing school right now.
I know that is why we are having fun. He left his school I left mine. :bully:
It is still funny that two different people have the exact same experience.
Makes you wonder just how many people have quit for the exact same reason…
Not enough. :icon_chee
Coyote, Is it…
Since we’re sharing I’ll tell you my Bullshido experience. I had trained in boxing most of my life via my grandfather and stepfather (both boxing coaches; Navy coach and amateur/pro coach respectively) when I was seventeen I was still hung up on the Bullshido and I was taking a generic form of Kempo here in OK. Well me and a couple of other students were training full contact when I KO’d the schools ‘bigshot’ black belt. It was a tight left hook that cuaght him square on the TMJ and put him out.
Well short story longer, everyone, and I mean everyone got pissed, the instructor, the other students. I appologized then I was ushered out and not allowed to retun to the school.
From then on i was refered to as a bully and asshole, but I really did not mean to knock the guy out. I was a green belt at the time. It was a big friggin’ mess. And after the guy went around telling everyone he was going to kick my ass I decide never to appologize.
In retrospect I should have taken wrestling more seriously and left the bullshido to the bullshido masters, of course back then no one had ever heard of a McDojo. Just thought I’d share.
Oh I forgot to mention the chief instructor got pissed becuase his golden boy was not supposed to be training in full contact WTF?
You cannot honestly say that these instructors are angry because of the possibility of a law suite.
Every instructor worth his salt has his students sign a legal waver saying that if they are injured in the course of their training or in competition, the waive all rights to sue the school or instructor.
Our school does this, with a six month option for your first signing. It deters anyone who isn’t serious about training.
Very, very good thread.
I feel lucky. I walked into a YMCA many years ago. I really avoided a lot of Mac- and Bullshidojos. I could have easily stepped into one.
Why do teachers and schools not spar? Sure, liability–having read some policies, you have to wonder what you can do–but, frankly, I think it is simple fear.
Fear of being shown you do not know what you are pratting on about. Same with not wanting your “golden boys” asses kicked . . . other students may wonder if what they are learning is crap.
This is why some teachers will not “mix”–tell you you “do not need to” learn how to grapple, or punch, or whatever. They refuse to admit they do not know everything. They refuse to admit they have limitations. They have moved from “student” to “sensei.” They then tell you you do not want to “hurt” your opponent as if to give their crap a reason.
As for teachers demanding to be called “master” or “grandmaster” or whathefuck . . . . utter complete ridiculous crap!
–J.D.
First MA experience - boxing. Great school, great instructor, great people more experienced than I taking the time to help a scrawny 14-year-old find some power (even if only a little bit). Left because my dad, a military man, was transferred.
Kickboxing - pretty good instruction, good workouts, but a lot of thugs at the school and a lot of stuff started going missing from the locker room. I got along with everybody, but enrollment declined and the school went tits up.
Kenpo - really good for a while. I trained with a friend, so we made sure to practice everything in a realistic manner. As we progressed, the quality of instruction declined to a the point that we were correcting some of the instructors, which is never a good sign. The head instructor made the mistake (mistake?) of not caring enough about money, so he was looking to move on from a non-profitable endeavor and quickly promoted some undeserving people to take over. Bullshit.
Shootfighting - By far the most fun I’ve ever had in MA. Lots of good drills, work on entries (which was a whole new world for me), and hard contact sparring. I really felt much more confident in my overall skillset because of these training sesssions. It was at a YMCA and dirt-cheap . . .go figure. I had to quit because I went away to school.
JJJ - While at school, I tried out JJJ. The school was in the middle of nowhere, so it was that or WTF TKD. The JJJ school was, in this instance, total Bullshido. The instructor would get really mad if you resisted any technique. I got tired of that and found a boxing club in a nearby town - great group of people. The owner even cut me a better deal on dues because I was a student and had to travel to get there.
Kenpo (again) - Good instruction, lousy students to train with, and limited access. Then the offers of hats, t-shirts, upgrading programs, $35 club patches, etc started. My contract finishes up this month, and I’m going to try out a MT/BJJ school. It seems an awful lot like Shootfighting, so I’m really looking forward to it. Plus, it’s close by and cheaper and I can do bag work during daylight hours, which is awesome since I mostly work nights.
I forgot to note that full-contact or even hard contact sparring was actually discouraged and that I was scorned for engaging in such ‘unsafe’ activities. Unsafe? What about that technique where you rip the guy’s throat out and dance all over his spine and balls? It’s good to be moving on :icon_thum :icon_thum
I’m still in the process of leaving a kwoon that I’ve trained at for six years. It’s difficult, I must say. It’s a good school because of its lack of politics and friendly instructors but I just don’t believe in it anymore. Also, my instructor calls me “brother” and his teacher, the founder of the school, seems to like having me there as well.
However I really don’t agree with what they teach anymore. I quit once without telling my instructor. This was mostly due to a lack of sparring, and too much form work (and only form work, we didn’t even learn any of the applications). About four months later I had a change of heart and e-mailed my instructor. He seemed glad to hear from me.
So, I returned the next week. I was pleasantly surprised by many new people who were in decent shape (or at least better shape then me but truthfully that’s not saying much). Also, the sparring sessions had become more frequent (almost every week!) and involved harder contact. There was even a former kickboxer (I don’t think he ever competed though) who was a challenge during sparring. The weaknesses in my game were quickly revealed during my first few rounds with him, and I improved more in a few weeks then I did in the previous three years.
However I have left again. A few things happened that devastated me.
First, I told my Instructor that I was moving to Toronto this September. He wanted me to start up a school there. I’m all for propogating your martial art but I have a certain standard I want to reach before I ever even consider teaching. I really just don’t understand why he would want ME, at my level, to instruct. Besides, I want to dive into the MMA world when I move to Toronto!
Secondly I was being pushed to learn another form. This is part of the curriculum so it’s not really my instructors fault but I know eight forms as of now (and a few more that I’d need a refresher on) and quite frankly I am sick of learning them when I am getting nothing from them.
Also I was having a conversation with a student there who was learning a Wing Chun form and he commented that a friend of his heard on some tv show on some channel that Wing Chun was rated the #1 martial art in the world. Perhaps I’m too friendly, but all I could do was nod my head a smile. I appease too many of these people.
Lastly during my final class I watched with my mouth agape as my instructor asked a female student, an old friend of mine, to remove her rings because it effects her chi flow during forms. I always believed that my teacher didn’t believe in chi because of the his reactions I noted during Tai Chi classes elsewhere and his previous venture in kickboxing (I don’t know his record or where he fought but I have seen some old newspaper clippings and a few trophies). When he left I walked over to my friend and said, “Wow, I didn’t know he believed in all that nonsense.” She replied, “Well, I’m sure it has some grounds…” and didn’t argue her case further.
HearWa
No disrespect. But I think this misguided loyalty some folks have to their sifus, senseis, instructors, or whatever title is sort of misguided and a bit cultish. This is America or Canada in most cases and you have a right to leave and study with anyone regardless of what your current teacher says or any of us on this board. Just watchout who you study with. If they demand loyalty or make wierd claims they are probably bullshido masters.
If you liked that dojo and what the option to comeback explain you want a little time off and if the instructors worth a sh*t he or she will be cool with it. I have instructors tell me “you leave to study with someone else don’t comeback!” And guess what I’ve discovered later they were bullshido artist and nutriders. Take your training serious but this stuff is not your life.:eusa_thin