For anyone who hasn’t already heard, Keenan was asked to leave Atos. There has been lots of speculation as to why, but no firm details have emerged from either side.
[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;3029030]For anyone who hasn’t already heard, Keenan was asked to leave Atos. There has been lots of speculation as to why, but no firm details have emerged from either side.[/QUOTE]
Oh boy. This is gonna be juicy.
What’s your wild speculation?
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[QUOTE=sweats;3029038]What’s your wild speculation?
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Keenan was responsible for bringing a major nuisance infestation into the gym.
The place has been crawling with squids,worms and mantis and it’s all Keenans fault. Plus Keenan missed bible study twice. Andre can only stand so much.
I’ll go with Money for $1,000, Alex.
Based on Keenan’s IG and his celebrating when he gets locked out of comp class for coming late so he can go do something he enjoys instead of another boring BJJ class, I’m going to guess the coaches saw fade out and asked him to leave before he drug the academy down.
It would also be a good indicator as to why Keenan says he has no intention of joining another team in the near future.
Well, I hope he figures out what he wants to do. Maybe he is just ready for a change and this was a good catalyst. Like he didn’t want to quit the team but didn’t want to be on it any more. So now he will drift for a while then move to something else like chess or baking.
[QUOTE=Diesel_tke;3029061] So now he will drift for a while then move to something else like chess or baking.[/QUOTE]
I assume he will get a Doctoral Degree in biology and spend his life studying invertebrates and their ritual combat methods.
[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;3029059]Based on Keenan’s IG and his celebrating when he gets locked out of comp class for coming late so he can go do something he enjoys instead of another boring BJJ class, I’m going to guess the coaches saw fade out and asked him to leave before he drug the academy down.
It would also be a good indicator as to why Keenan says he has no intention of joining another team in the near future.[/QUOTE]
The fuck are you talking about? Screenshots, please.
I follow Keenan on Instagram and have never seen anything except for wall to wall BJJ content. Posts about training, competing, teaching, conditioning, etc.
I’m scrolling through his Instagram now and can’t find anything like what you’re referring to.
[QUOTE=sweats;3029038]What’s your wild speculation?
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World’s is less than 2 months away so they’ll be starting to get serious about comp prep/strategy etc.
I think there are a few ingredients that feed into a possible explanation:
- There has been some discussion online about Keenan’s dislike of closeouts.
- There seems to be an ever increasing list of ATOS contenders at 88kg.
- Keenan is probably very motivated to take out a world’s gold (not the least due to last year’s controversy).
- Galvao, having retired from individual competition (with the exception of his final ADCC superfight), is more team/legacy focused.
I’d say that Keenan was unwilling to move weight division or agree to closeouts for the benefit of the academy performance over achieving his goal of world’s gold.
[QUOTE=cualltaigh;3029133]World’s is less than 2 months away so they’ll be starting to get serious about comp prep/strategy etc.
I think there are a few ingredients that feed into a possible explanation:
- There has been some discussion online about Keenan’s dislike of closeouts.
- There seems to be an ever increasing list of ATOS contenders at 88kg.
- Keenan is probably very motivated to take out a world’s gold (not the least due to last year’s controversy).
- Galvao, having retired from individual competition (with the exception of his final ADCC superfight), is more team/legacy focused.
I’d say that Keenan was unwilling to move weight division or agree to closeouts for the benefit of the academy performance over achieving his goal of world’s gold.[/QUOTE]
Closeouts are the fucking worst.
[QUOTE=Devil;3029135]Closeouts are the fucking worst.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck are closeouts?
[QUOTE=ghost55;3029138]What the fuck are closeouts?[/QUOTE]
Where you have two team mates facing each other in a match, rather than competing against each other one agrees to withdraw.
[QUOTE=cualltaigh;3029140]Where you have two team mates facing each other in a match, rather than competing against each other one agrees to withdraw.[/QUOTE]
Unacceptable!
The professional thing to do is for one of the athletes to throw the match and then for both to split the quickest submission of the night bonus.
[QUOTE=cualltaigh;3029140]Where you have two team mates facing each other in a match, rather than competing against each other one agrees to withdraw.[/QUOTE]
Fuck all of that. To the death bitches.
[QUOTE=cualltaigh;3029133]World’s is less than 2 months away so they’ll be starting to get serious about comp prep/strategy etc.
I think there are a few ingredients that feed into a possible explanation:
- There has been some discussion online about Keenan’s dislike of closeouts.
- There seems to be an ever increasing list of ATOS contenders at 88kg.
- Keenan is probably very motivated to take out a world’s gold (not the least due to last year’s controversy).
- Galvao, having retired from individual competition (with the exception of his final ADCC superfight), is more team/legacy focused.
I’d say that Keenan was unwilling to move weight division or agree to closeouts for the benefit of the academy performance over achieving his goal of world’s gold.[/QUOTE]
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Closeouts have never been part of the ATOS culture. If you wind up facing each other in division, you fight.
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That is ture.
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Not according to his IG. He wouldn’t be skipping comp classes if he was serious. The serious guys running up on World or ADCC usually hit all 4-5 trainings per day.
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Yeah that is true.
I’ve spoken with Andre since this happened. Haven’t spoken with Keenan yet, but don’t know him that well anyway. I have to say this is like the least acrimonious split I’ve seen in BJJ. Keenan, even when pressed for details by Flo, would only say that he had been asked to leave. Andre, even on a private call, would only say that they had agreed it was time for Keenan to leave.
[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;3029168]1) Closeouts have never been part of the ATOS culture. If you wind up facing each other in division, you fight.
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That is ture.
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Not according to his IG. He wouldn’t be skipping comp classes if he was serious. The serious guys running up on World or ADCC usually hit all 4-5 trainings per day.
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Yeah that is true.
I’ve spoken with Andre since this happened. Haven’t spoken with Keenan yet, but don’t know him that well anyway. I have to say this is like the least acrimonious split I’ve seen in BJJ. Keenan, even when pressed for details by Flo, would only say that he had been asked to leave. Andre, even on a private call, would only say that they had agreed it was time for Keenan to leave.[/QUOTE]
As you say, neither Andre nor Keenan have given any details so this is all speculation.
Regarding closeouts, I wouldn’t say closeouts are a policy but it is certainly not uncommon. Hinger vs Keenan for instance is a standout as they chose not to closeout. Here is Prof Galvao openly discussing closeouts at the 2018 pans (where ATOS closed out divisions in the Men’s Blue, Purple, Brown and Women’s black divisions).
I’m from an ATOS affiliate and we tend not to close out. In fact, my favourite match from my last competition less than two weeks ago was against a team mate in the open no-gi semi-final [I was up five advantages to one at 4 all with less than two minutes to go, eventually losing 6-4].
I can’t comment on the instagram posts. I follow both his @keenancornelius and @keenanonline accounts and don’t recall seeing them, I had a quick look just now and can’t see what you’re referring to. But the posts might have been taken down, he might have a different account that you’re referring to or maybe I didn’t look back far enough. Do you have a link?
[QUOTE=cualltaigh;3029178]As you say, neither Andre nor Keenan have given any details so this is all speculation.
Regarding closeouts, I wouldn’t say closeouts are a policy but it is certainly not uncommon. Hinger vs Keenan for instance is a standout as they chose not to closeout. Here is Prof Galvao openly discussing closeouts at the 2018 pans (where ATOS closed out divisions in the Men’s Blue, Purple, Brown and Women’s black divisions).
I’m from an ATOS affiliate and we tend not to close out. In fact, my favourite match from my last competition less than two weeks ago was against a team mate in the open no-gi semi-final [I was up five advantages to one at 4 all with less than two minutes to go, eventually losing 6-4].
I can’t comment on the instagram posts. I follow both his @keenancornelius and @keenanonline accounts and don’t recall seeing them, I had a quick look just now and can’t see what you’re referring to. But the posts might have been taken down, he might have a different account that you’re referring to or maybe I didn’t look back far enough. Do you have a link?[/QUOTE]
You do know that in this context “closeout” means they captured both top podium spots, and thus the team points. Hence he says, “Unfortunately we couldn’t close out [men’s] blackbelt”.
One example:
[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3029199]There are also lots of opportunities for Keenan outside of the competition circuit.
I suspect he is more than bright enough to realize this.
And to realize that there are other life goals to be had other than ending up a middle aged, washed up competitor, with multiple herniated and bulging discs who can no longer compete as a young athlete can.
He may be at a stage where he wants to be in environments that provide him with maximum opportunities to also explore his options to be successful off the mats, as well as on the mats.[/QUOTE]
Yes. All true. Furthermore, we have to allow for the distinct possibility that he knows much better than any of us losers what he actually needs to do in order to compete at the highest levels. It may not look like what we think it looks like.
[QUOTE=Devil;3029202]Yes. All true. Furthermore, we have to allow for the distinct possibility that he knows much better than any of us losers what he actually needs to do in order to compete at the highest levels. It may not look like what we think it looks like.[/QUOTE]
It doesn’t look like boobs?