Is she testing the waters?

well… this is a problem with alot of women.

they expect men to be mind readers.

maybe she thinks that if she tells you that you don’t have a future together, you’ll pursue her.

She knows how I think about all this, she is the one to make up her mind, state it and then let her actions follow her decision and not do something different.
I am not asking for much am I? irony intended, yet more due to the fact that I, for the first time, have no fucking clue how to proceed and she is not the person where I will flip a coin to make the decision, though this usually is my personal rule for already having made a decision, if I refuse to flip a coin. Fucking self analyzing BS

if you’re not willing to play a silly game such as flipping a coin and going with the flow, i’m assuming that you take this girl pretty seriously.

i think that she probably wants to get serious with you and doesn’t know how to approach it. alot of girls are afraid of being vulnerable–think that if we’re open with our feelings, we are open to rejection… when really, alot of guys appreciate this honesty.

would you like to take the next step with her? because it looks like this is what she wants.

While me not going to flip a coin on the matter says something (I flip(ed) one on other issues “normal” people would consider serious), I, in all honesty, have no fucking clue how far I am willing to take this. Not the guy who is used to do that stuff. I told her I will see how it all will play out and I am willing to take it from there.

I did not tell her that I will not go to Brazil or stop being the person I am, get a 9 to 5 etc. If that was/is what she is looking/hoping for, it is not going to happen. Everything else we can talk about.

I hate the fact that people are not that simple, where is the problem of speaking your mind or say what you feel? Why the heck is everybody over complicating everything? :angry7:

to put it simply, because there are horrible people who will hurt you based on what you tell them about yourself.

if she tells you that she really likes you but told you she didn’t want things to be serious because she was afraid of yaddah yaddah yaddah, it would make her look weak and dishonest and she cannot have that as a strong, independent woman. she won’t feel successful if you don’t respect her.

if she tells you that she introduced you to her family because she’s falling for you, hopes you get along with her family because she wants you to look at her as a potential wife, and hopes they’ll see you as more than just her friend… and you say you don’t want any of that, she’ll be hurt and disappointed.

does she distance herself from talking about emotions? because what she’s doing looks like she is avoiding the real issues here.

If you are honest and believe in what you say, how they going to hurt you? I haven’t been hurt by honesty, but by dishonesty. And my honesty and (some would call it childish simplicity, or naive) straight forward character are the reasons why people like me.

if she tells you that she really likes you but told you she didn’t want things to be serious because she was afraid of yaddah yaddah yaddah, it would make her look weak and dishonest and she cannot have that as a strong, independent woman. she won’t feel successful if you don’t respect her.
I do respect her on the other hand, I don’t give much about status etc. and she knows that, we had a few descussions about that.
If being friends is what she wants, that is what she can have, but I doubt it, otherwise why have me come over and all? She could have had this way easier.

if she tells you that she introduced you to her family because she’s falling for you, hopes you get along with her family because she wants you to look at her as a potential wife, and hopes they’ll see you as more than just her friend… and you say you don’t want any of that, she’ll be hurt and disappointed.
Well maybe but I wouldn’t bother traveling and missing training, she SHOULD know that by now.

does she distance herself from talking about emotions? because what she’s doing looks like she is avoiding the real issues here.
Well she likes to rationalize and sometimes I think she is afraid of admitting them to her self and others, while they are very obvious.
Sometimes she says she does not like something or wants to do something and after a little push she is all for it (which she was in the first place). She does not want me to be introduced as her BF but grabs for my hand during the car ride and such things. She says one thing but does/thinks something else.

She ain’t an easy character that is for sure but that would be boring wouldn’t it?

From: meataxe
Subject: RE: [EMO-LIST] Unsubscribe

erhm! this is a great sign of an excellent father-in-law!

also, I missed the part where fn4n/c4t5 became 4n4l LOL!

doesnt mean fucking shit. my gf of a year and ahlaf was trying to convince me to move to another country with her one week, then the next week we were split apart. women are crazy and make decisions on spur of the moment emotions. dont fall for her shit, you will only get hurt.

@serge my name “fuckery” happened over -> here <-
@ Alex, don’t get me wrong on this one but your break up made you hard and cynical.
Matter of fact, it was not the first time she talked about those issues (sort of).
If I fall for her then so be it… I rather try and get burned than not try and lock back with regret.

Dude, it takes the fun out of calling you f4n4l now :frowning:

I guess it does. On the other hand you should be happy and proud that people changed my name due to your “fine” suggestion.

I am thinking:

5chei55e

I take no comfort in that.
I will however be making an anagram out of your name and calling you Alan.
LOL Truly, it is the gayest name ever!!!

I should know

Regards

Alan

Lamer!

She won’t be any jerk off material or quick fix for any of you guys. Tonuzaba you know where to find those, as good as I do.

Jesus, do any of you breederfags know anything about women?

You want so add something? Go ahead, if not, stop being self righteous.

Sounds like they are used to the Queen-Hawks swooping in on them at closing time and offering up a little drunken comfort.

we’re talking about honesty and relationships. being honest about how you feel. not whether or not you’re always telling the truth.

alot of people have trust issues. maybe she has been hurt in the past. you can be honest and believe in what you say… but it doesn’t mean that the person you’re talking to is the same way. there are alot of horrible people out there. just look at married people: marriage is supposed to be the ultimate form of trust and loyalty, yet it only has a 50% success rating (in the US) and alot of couples lie and cheat on each other.

truth and honesty are 2 different things. you can tell somebody the truth and get them to trust you… but then they’ll tiptoe around something (which is a dishonest thing to do, btw), and you’ll lose confidence in them. this is what is happening right now.

If being friends is what she wants, that is what she can have, but I doubt it, otherwise why have me come over and all? She could have had this way easier.

you’re confused and this is a result of her not being most upfront about her feelings.

Well she likes to rationalize and sometimes I think she is afraid of admitting them to her self and others, while they are very obvious.
Sometimes she says she does not like something or wants to do something and after a little push she is all for it (which she was in the first place). She does not want me to be introduced as her BF but grabs for my hand during the car ride and such things. She says one thing but does/thinks something else.

She ain’t an easy character that is for sure but that would be boring wouldn’t it?

does she show affection toward you in public places? like restaurants? when you’re walking to your car? when you’re shopping together, etc,?