I was wondering if any of you MMA guys as part of your training ever spar 2 vs 1 or maybe more? or train any type of scenario where you have multiply people attacking you.
what is your question?
Only when we are fucking around. and then we will usually get yelled at for being stupid.
there is MMA tag team. But it is a bit loose for my liking.
[QUOTE=gregaquaman;2665809]Only when we are fucking around. and then we will usually get yelled at for being stupid.
there is MMA tag team. But it is a bit loose for my liking.[/QUOTE]
Do you think its worth spending more time on facing mulitply opponents? purely for self defence reasons not so much for your mma?
[QUOTE=gregaquaman;2665809]Only when we are fucking around. and then we will usually get yelled at for being stupid.
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+1
Most multiple attackers vs one (without weapons) scenarious are some nitwits that crap their pants after the “one” still stands after being hit once. Not really a challenge to pick such guys apart one by one.
There’s a youtube clip of two punks picking on a MMA fighter (who was in drag). No ‘extra’ 2 vs 1 skills required to give those punks a very bad day. 
If it’s a robbery and there are weapons involved with the ‘victim’ being unarmed, a smart MMA fighter would do the same as any other smart person: give their wallet and hope that’s all they want.
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Not really.
It is actually better for the two guys ganging up than for the one guy defending. the one guy will quite rightly punch everybody and skip about untill he is caught. The two guys will tend to be a bit tentative untill they work out that if they just tie the guy up he is screwed. And that is pretty much the end of the learning process.
So do it once or twice get it out of your system and move on to your normal stuff.
The other issue is that in regards to MMA it is a stupid risk. And a good club tries to minimise that. Imagine breaking a fighter before a fight with that sort of nonsense.
[QUOTE=Rene “Zendokan” Gysenbergs;2665813]+1
Most multiple attackers vs one (without weapons) scenarious are some nitwits that crap their pants after the “one” still stands after being hit once. Not really a challenge to pick such guys apart one by one.
There’s a youtube clip of two punks picking on a MMA fighter (who was in drag). No ‘extra’ 2 vs 1 skills required to give those punks a very bad day.
If it’s a robbery and there are weapons involved with the ‘victim’ being unarmed, a smart MMA fighter would do the same as any other smart person: give their wallet and hope that’s all they want.[/QUOTE]
But training against mulitply attackers regually would surely make you more effective at it just as any other martial art skill
[QUOTE=C.Aiden;2665802]All of us know about the movie IP man.Was that a different category of martial arts or was that a just movie chracter.[/QUOTE]
Certainly a different category of question. You can find out yourself using the following techniques:
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You could use the search-function in the upper-left corner of this page.
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Furthermore, http://www.giyf.com/ is a great side for research of this kind.
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Or, you may take a look at wikipedia, where you will find the answer to what I suppose is your question.
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As an alternative, just look here: nsfw
[QUOTE=BrotherDaniel;2665816]But training against mulitply attackers regually would surely make you more effective at it just as any other martial art skill[/QUOTE]
There are so many variables in a multiple vs one scenario (ground, place, weapons, how many persons, fighting skills of these people, surprise attack, and so on…) that the discomforts (higher chance on getting hurt which will cost you training time by healing and revalidation, loss of effective training and sparring time when you are ‘fooling around’ in multi vs one acts) outweigh the benefits significant.
There are good Kajuke?bo schools that train you in this, but they will only make you though (painfull training and injury prone), give you a certain mindset, give you some weapons skills, but they will say that the outcome of every fight you will get into is unknown, even with their training.
As an adult situational awareness, controlling your ego and using some common sense will get you further than any MA course/training.
And if you live somewhere where owning and carrying a firearm is legal, even a “big bad brawling MMA fighter” will go for his weapon in an emergency.
[QUOTE=Rene “Zendokan” Gysenbergs;2665820]There are so many variables in a multiple vs one scenario (ground, place, weapons, how many persons, fighting skills of these people, surprise attack, and so on…) that the discomforts (higher chance on getting hurt which will cost you training time by healing and revalidation, loss of effective training and sparring time when you are ‘fooling around’ in multi vs one acts) outweigh the benefits significant.
There are good Kajuke?bo schools that train you in this, but they will only make you though (painfull training and injury prone), give you a certain mindset, give you some weapons skills, but they will say that the outcome of every fight you will get into is unknown, even with their training.
As an adult situational awareness, controlling your ego and using some common sense will get you further than any MA course/training.
And if you live somewhere where owning and carrying a firearm is legal, even a “big bad brawling MMA fighter” will go for his weapon in an emergency.[/QUOTE]
for me your points highlight the importance of training vs a few guys. you get gassed far quicker you need to be far more aware of your surroundings etc.
when i train it my main focus is to escape and hopefully smack a few of them on my route out of there, without getting taken down or getting myself flanked.
[QUOTE=BrotherDaniel;2665821]for me your points highlight the importance of training vs a few guys. you get gassed far quicker you need to be far more aware of your surroundings etc.
when i train it my main focus is to escape and hopefully smack a few of them on my route out of there, without getting taken down or getting myself flanked.[/QUOTE]
If your school trains like the Kajuke?bo in Fight Quest (the series without Bill Duff, IIRC), you would have a point. So does your school trains like that (vids or it doesn’t)
[QUOTE=Rene “Zendokan” Gysenbergs;2665823]If your school trains like the Kajuke?bo in Fight Quest (the series without Bill Duff, IIRC), you would have a point. So does your school trains like that (vids or it doesn’t)[/QUOTE]
im just about to go for my lunch, i will see if i can find those you mentioned on youtube and i will report back.
damn these Ninjas are good! I can’t even make out if there is a question here, talk about your stealth and evasion!
Rene, Ive just watched the 50min youtube of that episode of fightquest, and i enjoyed it.
we do train just like that, the part in the park was identical to the scenarios we do.
The only problem we have is they have alot more GOONS that enjoy that type of training, sadly only a handfull at the class i train are prepared to train like that.
I liked the bullring idea and the calling of numbers.
Yes. :MouthOpen:
No, that are not goons but fighters who understand what it takes to become a though SOB, because that’s what it takes to survive (not win, just survive).
I’ve become a little skeptical over the years here about WT, WC, VT and VC and their claims of hard sparring/to deadly to spar/to efficient/street oriented…that’s why I said vids, or it doesn’t happen.
Now I’m not saying that you are a liar (don’t missunderstand me), maybe you do train that way or maybe you THINK that you train that way, so I would suggest to tape your training sessions.
You don’t have to post them here (yet), but use them to determine if you indeed train the same way as the kajuke?bo guys. Looking as a third party can be quiet surprising and a learning experience.
I’ll also warn you that other people on this side will ask for vid proof if you come over as training the “one real” Wing Chun/Tsun style.
Here’s the “yet” that I was talking about, because we all have become a little bit dissillusioned with WC/WT thanks to the nutriders that come on this site defending their style with unbelievable/outragious claims.
On the one hand, we have members who train WC/WT and make it work for them through lots and lots of sparring.
Individual > Training method > Style (<- something that I learned on this site)
[QUOTE=Rene “Zendokan” Gysenbergs;2665843]No, that are not goons but fighters who understand what it takes to become a though SOB, because that’s what it takes to survive (not win, just survive).
I’ve become a little skeptical over the years here about WT, WC, VT and VC and their claims of hard sparring/to deadly to spar/to efficient/street oriented…that’s why I said vids, or it doesn’t happen.
Now I’m not saying that you are a liar (don’t missunderstand me), maybe you do train that way or maybe you THINK that you train that way, so I would suggest to tape your training sessions.
You don’t have to post them here (yet), but use them to determine if you indeed train the same way as the kajuke?bo guys. Looking as a third party can be quiet surprising and a learning experience.
I’ll also warn you that other people on this side will ask for vid proof if you come over as training the “one real” Wing Chun/Tsun style.
Here’s the “yet” that I was talking about, because we all have become a little bit dissillusioned with WC/WT thanks to the nutriders that come on this site defending their style with unbelievable/outragious claims.
On the one hand, we have members who train WC/WT and make it work for them through lots and lots of sparring.
Individual > Training method > Style (<- something that I learned on this site)[/QUOTE]
when i said Goons i didnt mean it in a bad way. i salute all of those guys in that youtuube i watched.
We do train like those guys, and im sure you have good reason to doubt me as i train WC lol
fair enough i suppose, thanks for your thoughts and pointing me in the direction of that clip.
Maybe its the lack of a question mark in the OP but I am having trouble distinguishing a question.
[QUOTE=C.Aiden;2665802]All of us know about the movie IP man.[/quote]
Really? How do you know? Someone here probably hasn’t seen it.
Was that a different category of martial arts or was that a just movie chracter.
What are you asking? Can we get a translation?