YOu are plain wrong. Ed Parker kenpo, IF IT IS TAUGHT BY A REAL MARTIAL ARTIST is the best system of combat in the world. Boxing? boxings ok if you want simple hand strikes, but American Kenpo is no joke. You must have trained with a pansy. If your not at least a 3rd degree blackbelt in american kenpo than I would concider you a biginer with no clue about what the American Kenpo curriculum is about. You need at least 2-3 years of hard training in kenpo and know all the material before i would say your a trained kenpoist. And for you info, Ed Parker packed heavy metal:qleft3: (automatic killing machines to you liberals ;), when he could and it was legal. Gun defence is just a minor part of the curriculum. The “six step dance moves” as you say are part of the study of motion, and are not intended to be use axactly as is in a real fight. They are ment to be “grafted” together. You anti kenpo guys are so shallow minded when it comes to combat.
Does this imply that a 3rd dan or higher is attainable within 2-3 years training? Or am I reading this wrong?
I think I’ll just sit back and watch.
what i mean is that the material usually dies down (dending on assosiation), at about 3rd. and that all that “bullshido fancy hand movement coriographed dance steps that will never work on the street” (as some people on here call it) or techniques, are basics. Only after all the basics are learned can one really begin training to fight, not that the work up to there is useles on the street. how would you be able to fully aply kenpo family groupings if you didnt know all the moves?" its like a writer who already knows how to use letters and words, only then can he/she truly practice the art of writing. And yes one can learn the whole curriculum in 1-3 years. “…my time and my skills are the assets of my profession, assets which grow in value as I progress in the art until as a Third Degree Black Belt, I stand as a fully qualified instructor.” Black Belt pledge. --Ed Parker Kenpo.
So the fancy flash and sequences of doom are “basics” and only after learning those basics do you learn to fight? I did not train in AK, but I know in my experience I never learned how to properly throw what I’d consider “basic” strikes such as jab, cross, hook, uppercut, and other such fundamentals to any striker’s arsenal. Does a good AK school cover these properly any time before 3rd Dan?
Of course any striking martial arts school Kenpo School should teach basic jab cros hook, upercut and other basic strikes at the start. Under my first kenpo teacher, we used the Joe lewis (national director of Tracy Kenpo) method of sparing starting at white belt. Ive always told people, that if I had 6 months to train a student to fight, i would only teach the Joe lewis method (very basic kickboxing). But if I had 4 years, I would teach american kenpo. The bad thing is that a lot of American kenpo schools are being mcdojoed. Thats why some black belts (some of them 10 years old) wouldn’t stand a chance on the street.
Please,PLEASE just stop posting now…
So, are you making this argument backed up with experience?
That is, have you trained EP Kenpo with a real martial artist?
Are you a living, practicing exponent of EP Kenpo as trained by a real martial artist?
If so, would you be willing to provide a demonstration, captured in film, against a practitioner of “ok” arts?
So, you hold a 3rd degree blackbelt (or higher) in American Kenpo, right? Because the only way for you to consider someone a beginner is if you have a higher rank.
At least 2-3 years for the person to be a trained kenpoist? Does that mean you have more than 3 years in training? (you need to do so before saying “I would say you are this or that.”)
And does that mean that 2-3 years is all the time needed to get a 3rd degree bb (which by your own words it’s the minimum rank to not be considered a beginner, that is, a trained kenpoist)?
You were there? You saw this yourself?
non sequitur.
So you must posses a verifiable record of experience and training for combat. If that’s the case, I’m looking forward to hear your credentials.
Otherwise, you are not qualified to make that type of statements about others.
truth and knowledge, along with balls and the skills to back it up are all i need. respectfully
I cannot easily tell your answers since you chose to type them right in the text being quote. Please give me the courtesy to break that down. I gave you the same courtesy when I quoted yours. So give me the same courtesy as well.
…sorry i’m new, i tried to post it right but it didn’t separate your quotes from mine.
READ THIS POST CAREFULLY, TWICE AT LEAST, BEFORE REPLYING BACK TO IT.
Never mind, I’ll do it myself since you seem unwilling or incapable of doing so (observe how I break down your answer for others to read.). This is how you give your readers the courtesy of posting your statements for easy analysis:
yes[/quote]Uh, care to elaborate? Rank, experience, verifiable records, etc.
yes, 9th degree[/quote]Uh, care to elaborate, meaning, what’s his name?
yes[/quote]Uh, see above.
around here the only ok martial artist is me.[/quote]Dude, this is a yes/no question, not about your opinion about the other members of this forum.
Yes or no. It’s that simple.
We hope you are not. So is it yes or no?
Actually, there are, active and retired members of all branches of the US military (and militaries from other countries), as well as LEOS. They have been more than willing to disclose their location, names and credentials, and they have access to corroborate if someone who claims to be an active or retired member of the military is truly so or just talking out of his ass.
So, wish granted.
Whose name would be? So is your answer yes or no?
i’ve been training in different EP kenpo systems (yes different), for 8 years now under “good” kenpo teachers.[/quote]Names of these “good” kenpo teachers please. If they are good, I’m sure they will not object to have their names published for other students to know.
That way, any potential student will know who to train with instead of wasting time with bullshit artists. Wouldn’t you agree?
Fine. What rank did you obtained before reaching 18 and concluding that you will not take another test until you need to?
I’m not talking about ranks on schools you have agreed yourself are crap. Non-sequitur, red herring.
I’m talking about rank given by the “good” kenpo instructors you have trained with, in particular the 9th degree instructor you mentioned at the beginning of your post. What’s your rank with them?
yes, i have trained in kenpo for 8 years, and i still consider myself a beginer (in a way), because i dont yet have a set curriculum and fully know it (i don’t consider myself a kenpo “master” or fully qualified teacher. In order for me to teach someone i would need a set curriculum.[/quote]So if you are just a beginner, how can you say you are the only “ok” fighter around here?
How do you know for a fact there isn’t a single fighter in these forums that is much, much better than you?
it is possible, if the teacher is all about training, and not making money, yes. and if the student has a good head, and is willing to sweat and study, yes. but rank varies by kenpo school. [/quote]Fine, on the schools you trained under the “good” instructors, what’s your rank?
conservitive mormons carry guns. especialy kenpo conservitive mormons. and i wasnt there but you can email Ed Parker jr. and ask him and see if i’m wrong. so does al tracy (grandmaster of the largest kenpo organization) by the way, both when not living in anti-gun-california of course. And especially in Utah.[/quote]Fine.
i disagree, read the last few posts carefully[/quote]Fine. I’ll re-read this again, and I’ll get back to you.
i don’t train for rank or “record my practice sessions” as some other people including kenpoist do.[/quote]So how do we know what your background and experience is? You come across making judgements as if you had the background, experience and qualifications to do so.
Why not? I would be honored to earn a rank from a “good” instructor and have it officially recognized by him. It demonstrate consistency in training under such qualified instructor (as opposed to just pass by the classes without having a measure of where my capabilities are or how much of the instructions given by a “good” instructor I’ve been capable and willing to internalize and make my own.)
So fine, you have no rank. Let me reformulate the question. Consider the ranks given by your different instructors, which, by your own word, they are good and not bullshit. In particular, consider the ranks that can be given by the 9th degree instructor you mentioned at the beginning of the post.
Consider those ranks and the experience that each one entails. Where do you see yourself? What rank would be qualified to have, were you instructor be willing to give you one, and were you willing to accept it?
Usually “I did not want to accept another rank” means either
a) I found out what women are for and my training took a back seat (unlikely in this case)
or
b) I am shit and could not pass
Anyone else vote for (b)?
This is a little too textbook. Are you really this gullible kenpomormon, or are you just trying to yank our troll chain?
“By around here” i meant; “around here in SW KANSAS” i’m sure some people on “HEre bullshido furums” are bettter fighters than me.
this is taking up a lot of time so i’l tell you this. I consider myself a fighter; THATS ALL. I have a 1st degree brown diploma under a Angel MArtial Garcia 9th degree who got awarded a 9th degree by Al Tracy (look up Kenpo hall of fame on Google) and lesser degrees by other American kenpo / and chinese kenpo organizations, and in the kenpo hall of fame (gathering of the eagles bunch) and i currently study under his son, who is a 3rd degree black. Along with home study.
but thats all i will say about that. AS I SAID BEFORE RANK IN SOME KENPO ORGANIZATIONS MEANS NOTHING! i dont shop for rank. all i want is skill. And in kenpo rank does not convey fighting ability. white belt to 3rd black usualy mean ones learning, and 4th to 9th mean what you’v given to propetuate the arts. And 10 means you do your own system of kenpo. “USUALLY”
Translation:" I live at home with my parents and the last fight I got into was about staying out past my curfew"
As i said before “debate me intelectualy and prove me wrong”. I dont debate people who use 4th grade smeer tactics
If your not at least a 3rd degree blackbelt in american kenpo than I would concider you a biginer
[B]And in kenpo rank does not convey fighting ability.[/B] white belt to 3rd black usualy mean ones learning, and 4th to 9th mean what you’v given to propetuate the arts.
Beginners shouldn’t talk.
How about debating with me? See below.
Ah, ok. I thought you were talking about you vs the posters in this forum. My bad.
Hmmm, but you still haven’t answered my yes/no question. I’m sure a boxer will disagree with your previous statement on boxing.
If so, would you be willing to provide a demonstration, captured in film, against a practitioner of “ok” arts?
Simple yes/no question. And all it needs is a simple yes/no answer. It’s not a challenge to the death or anything filled with anger, disrespect or negative emotions. But if a boxer, a practitioner of an “ok” art in your vicinity were to ask you to spar and do a live demo, with mutually agreed rules in a limited combat situation (as done with bb tests as you mentioned in another post), would you agree or decline.
Yes or no. I would expect a yes given that you said this:
Thanks for providing your instructors’ credentials. Could you please elaborate what you mean by “home study”?
No disagreement there (regarding that rank in most schools mean squat). But you still haven’t answered my question.
So fine, you have no rank. Let me reformulate the question. Consider the ranks given by your different instructors, which, by your own word, they are good and not bullshit. In particular, consider the ranks that can be given by the 9th degree instructor you mentioned at the beginning of the post.
Consider those ranks and the experience that each one entails. Where do you see yourself? What rank would be qualified to have, were you instructor be willing to give you one, and were you willing to accept it?