[QUOTE=Cassius;3060315]EMTs also tend to be pretty far off at times like these, unfortunately. I have been playing with an ankle IFAK that doesn’t print too badly. This is yet another reminder that I should be wearing the thing full time. Probably couldn’t have done anything for this asshole’s victims, sadly.[/QUOTE]
Use a t shirt.
[QUOTE=Nutcracker, sweet!;3060317]OK, so hero was not FBI. He was a deputy for a brief time, and remains a firearms instructor, and is the “bishop in charge of security,” or something I don’t remember the exact words. Interesting interview, though, and gives some insight into what went down:
Definitely some things to be studied, here.
First, they (as a church) had a tactical team, who trained. Not because of Sutherland Springs, but because they moved into a high-crime location.
Second, they (as a church) had a tactical team, who trained.
Third, they have video surveillance which wasn’t being leveraged for just-in-time decisioning.
Fourth, they were actually very slow to act, considering how suspicious he says they were… I guess being in church has sort of a disarming effect? That’s not a pun.[/QUOTE]
Suspicious is super hard to deal with. We used to just sneak up on guys like that and grab their arms. But it is still harrowing to do.
Whoops, title fail. Anyway, this is where your armory shitposting goes from now on. You are welcome to post productive content anytime you wish.
Cool. Ok. In my experience of dealing with stabbings and bashings there is almost nothing in a small first aid kit that will do shit all to be honest. Maybe a set of gloves if you are concerned a touriquet (which I can’t seem to spell) but I have never used one.
But what you generally need is a big mass of waddling to plug a hole untill the ambulance arrives.
Now conveniently you can get t shirts that are made from the same basic material as bandages but won’t turn to shit in about a second in a serious case of bleeding.
Or fuck around trying to be tactical I suppose. Your choice.
I suppose trying to invent a magical kit that will work and be the side of a wallet would have been the much more productive line of conversation.
[QUOTE=gregaquaman;3060888]Cool. Ok. In my experience of dealing with stabbings and bashings there is almost nothing in a small first aid kit that will do shit all to be honest. Maybe a set of gloves if you are concerned a touriquet (which I can’t seem to spell) but I have never used one.
But what you generally need is a big mass of waddling to plug a hole untill the ambulance arrives.
Now conveniently you can get t shirts that are made from the same basic material as bandages but won’t turn to shit in about a second in a serious case of bleeding.
Or fuck around trying to be tactical I suppose. Your choice.
I suppose trying to invent a magical kit that will work and be the side of a wallet would have been the much more productive line of conversation.[/QUOTE]
Belt carried trauma kits and tourniquets are a thing.
They can include anticoagulants in powder form and anticoagulants soaked gauze.
[QUOTE=BKR;3060894]Belt carried trauma kits and tourniquets are a thing.
They can include anticoagulants in powder form and anticoagulants soaked gauze.[/QUOTE]
Cool. And how did you go using one?
[QUOTE=gregaquaman;3060979]Cool. And how did you go using one?[/QUOTE]
Hey silly man, tourniquets are used routinely to save lives when bleeds are in progress.
The kits contain tourniquets.
Can’t you make contributory posts instead of wasting everyone’s time with trash?
[QUOTE=gregaquaman;3060979]Cool. And how did you go using one?[/QUOTE]I’m trained in their use and have annual refresher training on such things. So I would probably use my training and experience triaging and treating GSWs and other traumatic injuries.
[QUOTE=gregaquaman;3060979]Cool. And how did you go using one?[/QUOTE]
I’m sure you can get some trauma training in OZ if you want. You can look on the interwebz on where to buy and how to use as well.
Ok. So nobody has used these trauma kits you recommend.
What did you guys find as helpful equipment the last time you has to first some sort of serious assult?
[QUOTE=gregaquaman;3061043]Ok. So nobody has used these trauma kits you recommend.
What did you guys find as helpful equipment the last time you has to first some sort of serious assult?[/QUOTE]
Training, yes. Fortunately I’ve never had to do with had to deal with trauma wound care.
Ok. Good luck with that then. I am sure you will do fine.
[QUOTE=BKR;3061044]Training, yes. Fortunately I’ve never had to do with had to deal with trauma wound care.[/QUOTE]
So how many degrees of separation are we working with?
Your instructor who recommended these kits have used these kits?
[QUOTE=gregaquaman;3061055]So how many degrees of separation are we working with?
Your instructor who recommended these kits have used these kits?[/QUOTE]
I once gave a scheduled first aid training class to my scouts (back in the day) the night after pulling a man out of a burning pickup which he’d driven under the trailer of a semi that had pulled into the road. Sadly, man died of his injuries later that morning.
Mine and the other motorist may have well killed that man. His chest was crushed as was his steering wheel. We had no choice to pull him out of his burning vehicle. His flannel shirt was starting to steam in the cold morning and I had no doubt he was about to erupt in spontaneous combustion.
I knew, conventionally, to lay him flat, check for obstructions and stabilize all possible. I knew that he had internal injuries and any movement could cause further harm. Still, he was drowning on his own blood. I cradled him while on one knee to hold him up until the EMTs arrived.
moral of post
It’s good to know how to help others. Maybe one’s self. One never knows what emergencies may crop up in life. How many have been saved by a diner knowing the Heimlich maneuver? CPR for heart attacks, drownings and others? Starting breathing and stopping bleeding are, on the face of it, elementary. IF you know what to do.
Life throws some wild ass curves.
[QUOTE=hungryjoe;3061057]I once gave a scheduled first aid training class to my scouts (back in the day) the night after pulling a man out of a burning pickup which he’d driven under the trailer of a semi that had pulled into the road. Sadly, man died of his injuries later that morning.
Mine and the other motorist may have well killed that man. His chest was crushed as was his steering wheel. We had no choice to pull him out of his burning vehicle. His flannel shirt was starting to steam in the cold morning and I had no doubt he was about to erupt in spontaneous combustion.
I knew, conventionally, to lay him flat, check for obstructions and stabilize all possible. I knew that he had internal injuries and any movement could cause further harm. Still, he was drowning on his own blood. I cradled him while on one knee to hold him up until the EMTs arrived.
moral of post
It’s good to know how to help others. Maybe one’s self. One never knows what emergencies may crop up in life. How many have been saved by a diner knowing the Heimlich maneuver? CPR for heart attacks, drownings and others? Starting breathing and stopping bleeding are, on the face of it, elementary. IF you know what to do.
Life throws some wild ass curves.[/QUOTE]
So you have used these kits?
I am getting confused.
[QUOTE=gregaquaman;3061055]So how many degrees of separation are we working with?
Your instructor who recommended these kits have used these kits?[/QUOTE]
Well I received similar training as part of my EMT cert. My instructors were mostly seasoned paramedics. In the U.S, people in the know generally follow TCCC recommendations when purchasing trauma care supplies.
[QUOTE=gregaquaman;3061055]So how many degrees of separation are we working with?
Your instructor who recommended these kits have used these kits?[/QUOTE]
Yes, they were highly trained and experienced Paramedics, of whom some were combat medics who had actually been in combat and treated traumatic battlefield wounds.
In fact the technology was transferred from combat settings to civilian settings.
[QUOTE=gregaquaman;3061058]So you have used these kits?
I am getting confused.[/QUOTE]
No. I don’t own one of these “kits”. I do have a belt, shirt or other that can be used as a tourniquet. I also, if way out, know how to tie a surgeons knot to suture. Check for obstructions to breathing, identify symptoms of shock, pulmonary problems and even give you a reach around if you’re man enough.
[QUOTE=hungryjoe;3061062]No. I don’t own one of these “kits”. I do have a belt, shirt or other that can be used as a tourniquet. I also, if way out, know how to tie a surgeons knot to suture. Check for obstructions to breathing, identify symptoms of shock, pulmonary problems and even give you a reach around if you’re man enough.[/QUOTE]
Which is what I recommended and what got me here in the first place.
Sorry but I am starting to think that sub forum is a bit of a shit show to be honest.
I’m a giver by choice. You fuck with mine, ain’t nobody’s kit going to help you.
-insert first hj 2020 prayer here-
Decrepit mouth boxer out…