I would be curious to hear the forum’s thoughts on where United Studios of Self Defense stands in all of this. I am fairly new to Bullshido but I havent seen much on USSD, who teaches Shaolin Kempo. I would love your thoughts.
Omega, since you know Mr. John Hackleman and Mr. Chuck Liddell, you know that Hawaiian Kempo is good stuff. As for judging other Kempo stylist, you’re absolutely correct in that there is some bad stuff out there.
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Yeah Pat, I got the Joke part, I thought you would get the joke of the first post. My second post stated “seriously” just in case you weren’t joking. I might be seeing Chuck Sunday, would you like his autograph?
Yeah Andrew, you’re new here, normally I’m not this civil on this board but this is the more serious section. Whenever I here anybody say that Kempo, or karate doesn’t work in MMA, I point them to The Pit.
I would be curious to hear the forum’s thoughts on where United Studios of Self Defense stands in all of this. I am fairly new to Bullshido but I havent seen much on USSD, who teaches Shaolin Kempo. I would love your thoughts.
Don’t go there. You’re new to this site.
Let me add more…
When it comes to judging styles, schools and instructors, I hope nobody tries to do this based on just one class. Recently I had to attend a funeral out of state and the rest of my instructors were either injured or on maternity leave so I had to use an underbelt to run the class. Thankfully, everything went well. Then there was this other time when someone who trained in another art came by to watch and then left without saying goodbye (how rude!). A friend of his told me that I scared him and he thought I was too extreme. Trouble was, that was during a test and I often tone things down on a regular basis. So please, keep in mind that judging something in the martial arts based on an extremely short exposure is not doing the art or yourself any justice.
As for Hanshi Juchnik, I’ll let Matt handle that one if he so desires. I admit that on many historical issues his knowledge exceeds mine. And yes, his website has a lot of interesting and controversial material. So take off your gloves and visit http://home.comcast.net/~matthewabarnes/articles.html
Andrew
Actually, and I could be wrong on this Andrew, but I believe that those statements are almost verbatum of what Al Tracey has been writing for a few years now.
Omega, I don’t have enough knowledge to comment on that. If it wasn’t for Mitose who knows what us Kempo/Kenpo/Kajukenbo folks would be doing. We owe him that much (if not more).
Also on behalf of me and my students, please send Professor John Hackleman our love and respect the next time you see him.
Andrew
Does he know you?
Omega, “Pat, I got the Joke part, I thought you would get the joke…”
Omega? Joking? And I didn’t get it?
Oh well, it’s not going to be the last time I fuck up. Sorry.
And yes I want a signed poster by John H. and Chuck, maybe saying something like “To a real top ranked expert martial artist, example to us all, leader, Sifu, Sensei, Sihan, Master, Grandmaster, Greatgrandmaster, Kumu, the big KAHUNA, and all around great guy, our MAN, our HERO, Pat.”
Here’s an example from his web page:
Maybe they could sign it across his chest?
Originally posted by Ruddygore
I would be curious to hear the forum’s thoughts on where United Studios of Self Defense stands in all of this. I am fairly new to Bullshido but I havent seen much on USSD, who teaches Shaolin Kempo. I would love your thoughts.
They are a Vallari split off, so they are probably on the mystic Bodidarma side of things, which doesn’t mean that they don’t run good schools, and it doesn’t mean that they can’t fight, just that they probably follow some dubious historical thing…
edited out stuff on red uniforms etc…
FYI The red uniformss come in at 4th Degree black belt.
Originally posted by matzahbal
FYI The red uniformss come in at 4th Degree black belt.
I can take 'em on. thrusts out chest and lifts chin
The guys on the east coast studios wear blue gi’s.
Originally posted by miguksaram
Thanks Pat for that post on the Tracy site. I just glanced through it, and will study more of it later, as I was getting way involved in the reading and since I am currently at work, that is a bad thing.
Al Tracy has done some good research, but we disagree on several points. His site preaches the Japanese roots of Mitose. When I talked to him on the phone, he was more open to new information. He seemed like a nice guy, and had lots of good stories to tell.
I believe that there is scant proof that Mitose had anything but a brief introduction to karate (3 years or less) to okinawan karate, and that introduction was available in his hometown, and not Japan.
Matt
Originally posted by miguksaram
[B]Andrew and Matt,
What are your feelings towards Hanshi Juchnik and his claim as the inheritor of the system? What are your feelings towards Mitose’s son and his claims. Have you studied with or talked to either of them?
I am hoping to have some time to dive into both sites this weekend and study up on them. They both looked very interesting. [/B]
I think Hanshi Juchnik is a talented martial artist. I like his interpretation of cabales serrada escrima, and his interpretation of what he learned from Mitose, complementing what he knew as a Tracy Kenpo 3rd Dan. He’s made a good career out of it. I don’t feel he represents accurately what Mitose taught. To be honest, I would rate his skills as higher than Mitose, and just wish he would just say, ‘this is my interpretation of what kenpo should be.’
Thomas Barros Mitose is a Kajukenbo guy who met his father later in life. He has about as much claim on Kosho Ryu as Bruce Juchnik.
Matt
Originally posted by omega
Actually, and I could be wrong on this Andrew, but I believe that those statements are almost verbatum of what Al Tracey has been writing for a few years now.
Again, no, Al still (at least publicly) subscribes to the Mitose goes to Japan /Yoshida clan theory, and I subscribe to the ‘never left hawaii/con man’ theory.
Matt
Originally posted by Ruddygore
I would be curious to hear the forum’s thoughts on where United Studios of Self Defense stands in all of this. I am fairly new to Bullshido but I havent seen much on USSD, who teaches Shaolin Kempo. I would love your thoughts.
Well, USSD is the reason my first instructor quit the business. Initially, Steve Demasco was doing pretty good things. he actually got the state of CT to accredit his ‘instructor program’ so thta when someone completed it they got an honest to goodness associates degree.
He had pretty good organizational skills, but apparently did something wrong, as the current state of USSD east coast will attest.
I do have to admit - Steve Demasco tested me for my green belt, back in 1991-1992 or so, and that test pretty much set the standard for getting the crap beaten out of me until my “Masters Self Defense Centers” Shodan in '97.
Matt
Wow, small world, I’ve actually think I’ve met you before Mat. Do you own your own school down on the Cape?
I guess it is a small world!
Originally posted by omega
Wow, small world, I’ve actually think I’ve met you before Mat. Do you own your own school down on the Cape?
I don’t own one, but I teach at my friend Chris’s school on the Cape. I also have the occasional private student, and teach some tai chi for the next town over (adult education).
Where might we have met?
Matt
I was visiting down on the cape a few years ago, I believe that Kempo school allowed me to work out with you guys.
Originally posted by MattB
[B]I think Hanshi Juchnik is a talented martial artist. I like his interpretation of cabales serrada escrima, and his interpretation of what he learned from Mitose, complementing what he knew as a Tracy Kenpo 3rd Dan. He’s made a good career out of it. I don’t feel he represents accurately what Mitose taught. To be honest, I would rate his skills as higher than Mitose, and just wish he would just say, ‘this is my interpretation of what kenpo should be.’
Thomas Barros Mitose is a Kajukenbo guy who met his father later in life. He has about as much claim on Kosho Ryu as Bruce Juchnik.
Matt [/B]
I would agree with your assesment. I have trained with Hanshi on several occasions. He is a very good martial artist and I believe that he has taken Mitose’s teachings to a new level with his interpretation, which I believe is what, from what I heard, is how Mitose would have wanted it.
I would disagree with you on one point. Unless Thomas Mitose has been doing things to promote his father’s system or doing things for the martial arts outside his own little world, that I have not heard of, I feel Hanshi has full rights to the system. He has spent countless hours doing seminars and spreading the teachings (or his interpretation of them) of Mitose. Thank you for the insight.