Cool, describe how you are going to transition from a heel hook breaking position to a strangulation position.
Its not that its impossible, but your knee is now completely separated and the limbs you have for strangulation are at the wrong end.
Good luck getting a strangle in before someone can disengage from you.
No we are not.
Odd no one but your dumb ass has said Child vs Man.
People have very distinctly said woman vs man.
Keep up with the context.
Stop commenting on heel hooks you look stupid every time you do.
This is theorycrafting, you are basically scripting out a scenario. Leave that to the RBSD crowd.
Are you really suggesting that someone needs a working leg to strangle another person? That’s a weird claim, similar to “can’t walk, can’t fight”.
We are and we aren’t, Rayce first brought up bone breaking, then I did, and eventually so did you when I pointed out breaks happen all the time from heel hooks, just not in SD situations as far as the evidence shows, and especially unlikely when it’s young child vs. grown male sexual predator.
The OP said it. Even qualified it as a sexual assault.
Then they are all off topic.
The OP is looking for good techniques for a young girl to defend herself from a man. Pick another technique and stop nutriding heel hooks.
The statement you are basing everything on is predicated on achieving breaking pressure with a heel hook.
So now tell me how from that position you are going to strangle someone.
come of age
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(of a person) reach adult status
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Nope not a child.
You are the ONLY one trying to make this a talk about children vs adults.
You’re assuming there’s a heel hook in the first place.
Like I said if you’re gonna “set the scene”, it’s still just mental masturbation.
Why don’t you discuss the merits of the technical standup I posted instead. Why isn’t that a better “finisher” than as you put it a “technical submission”.
You need to go re-read the OP.
He didn’t say “come of age”, he’s talking about a 2 year old and how to train her once she’s old enough to train BJJ, not an adult.
Yes, that was literally the premise of that post. Stop trying to change the premise and going no no no no no no no
Since it was my Post I get to set the premise.
If you want to talk about the ability to do heel hook entries and finishes that is a different premise.
However the premise was literally a heel hook being brought to breaking pressure(not bone breaking(though seriously how is that any worse than tearing all 4 ligaments))
Yes one would presume someone would start the training as early as possible to make them capable of defending themselves as an adult.
That is the part you are missing. NO ONE IN THIS THREAD other than you are talking about a child defending themselves against an Adult.
Stop trying to frame what other people in this thread have said against that since that is not their intent.
You need to stop derailing threads with your nonsense.
JNP didn’t correct me, the guy whom I quoted didn’t correct me, Dr Murphy didn’t correct me, heck even Rayce stopped worrying about what I was saying, OMEGA didn’t come in here and correct me, no one here is arguing about what I am saying other than someone that doesn’t know shit about heel hooks.
No, your premise was “can’t walk, can’t fight” and presumes a heel hook always ends a fight when successfully used, regardless of whether it’s to the pain or to limb destruction.
Actually, the OP brought it up along with several other posters, because OP is asking how to train his child to defend herself from a grown male predator.
You really need to stop crying and begging.
I see, the source of your butthurt is that I had the nerve to challenge something about grappling you posted that I disagreed with.
Only certain select people are allowed to argue with you? Bootlicker.
I literally said when brought to breaking pressure, as in its right there in the premise.
See how that works?
Its defined.
You don’t get to redefine what I said.
Breaking Pressure in this instance refers to ligament damage before you go back off on bone breaking stupidity.
Though once again oh no breaking bones as well………
Those people at least know what they are talking about, those particular people have more expertise on this subject than I, and thus I find their input valuable.
You literally have provided me 0 value.
Stomping your feet saying that this is about a child vs a man doesn’t add value.
Literally any conversation about a child vs a man is of extremely little value no matter what techniques, or martial art systems.
You have provided 0 value to this conversation
0 value to the OP
0 value to the conversation around heel hooks
0 value to someone that wonders in here off of google
You make no sense. What the fuck is “Breaking Pressure”, in technical terms please.
First broken bones aren’t allowed in the discussion, then when I illustrate why that’s important in this context especially given the huge diffferences between adult competitors and the average BJJ kid, and you backpedal, now you’re back on bones vs. connective tissue. Always backwards, never forwards with you.
Now you’re back to theorycrafting the scenario where your imaginary heel hook results in the end of a fight between two people in an SD context, even though it’s obvious neither ligament damage or broken bones necessarily stops a fight.
LOL stomping my feet, more projection from you.
I’m not the one yelling “STOP IT” over and over and over on the internet at someone who disagrees with them about grappling, and I love how appeals to authority is all you ever have when it comes to this subject.
And logical fallacies like “can’t walk = can’t fight”. That one is axiomatically false.
Why don’t you try switching to another technique, Mr. Value.
Breaking pressure is when a joint lock is being applied at the pressures that do the intended damage.
Its not an uncommon expression
It also is implicitly stating doing that damage from doing the technique right
In the case of breaking pressure for a heel hook you are targeting the ligaments in the knee, those are the intended targets of a heel hook done right and under breaking pressure you are causing tearing and separation in the ligaments.
This is done by torquing the shin around the knee by using your back and core muscles by using the toes as a lever and the heel as a fulcrum.
It has nothing to do with you disagreeing with me.
Rayce disagreed with me, he added value.
You don’t add value because you don’t have the expertise in the subject to add value.
Then on top of that, on top of the lack of expertise you want to derail the discussion into any direction you think you can add value
Such as this repeated Child vs Adult derail. Even if the OP intended that, its not where the discussion has gone, its not what anyone with any merit on the subject commented on.
The discussion has been about Heel Hooks for Women vs Men. Not children. You think I care about you disagreeing? No I care about you shitting up yet another thread with your need to be validated and accomplished and right when you are none of those things.
Stay out of grappling technique threads you do not know much about grappling and your input is almost always of negative value.
Knee and ankle you mean…wow when was the last time you even attempted a technical standup, let alone a limb manipulation. I’m really starting to doubt your BJJ basic skills aptitude.
Sure it does, you’re here championing heel hooks in a thread about BJJ SD for children (the status of OP’s child for the next 16 years in most jurisdictions), and I’m challenging your perspective, and you are whining.
You’re putting a hell of a lot of effort into disagreeing with me yourself.
It’s not a derail, it’s the intended topic of the thread and I think there are plenty of threads about heel hooks, this doesn’t have to be the one, but you’re essentially limiting it to that.
The OP specifically stated as you pointed out this shouldn’t be a “men vs. women” discussion.
He did specifically ask about SD for kids, so you need to read better.
Still begging me to not post and stay out of grappling threads, rather than contribute to the discussion and stay on topic (not your own made up derail about “can’t walk, can’t fight”?)
Is this how you view Bullshido, your personal menu of what you do/don’t want to read about today and everyone needs to listen to you?
Wabbit is now in the phase of his collapse where he tries to decide unilaterally what people may talk about in a thread. This is a late stage for him. He’s going to spew absolute nonsense from here on in.
Then again, that’s been true for a while.
Claims that others are “begging” him when really they’re admonishing him are common at this stage. He’s fantasizing about having power that he actually lacks. It’s a narcissist’s way of dealing with a total lack of external validation.
You’ll notice I don’t yell STOP at you or tell you not to post in the Technique threads, because hopefully you’ll ask a good question, rather than this shitty kind of bullshit ad hom “analysis”.
You were doing OK for a while and now you’re back to bot mode. You should try staying on topic in the Technique fora, unless you want a ride to Trollshido on your own, so maybe ask a question or elaboration about technical standups, maybe. Stick to basic stuff.
No, you are actually no challenging anything, I do not feel challenged, you are a nat buzzing about trying to force a narrative that no one is interested in.
You didn’t get the premise of the post that launched your stupidity.
You didn’t even get clarification on breaking pressure something that apparently you didn’t understand.
Instead you heard heel hook and went on your crusade of stupid against it. Something you do quite often despite the fact having never trained them with aliveness
Another tactic later in your decline is to pretend to other forms of authority. If people justly call out your lack of knowledge, it’s “elitism”. If others do it to you, it’s somehow off topic.
Where did you train the heel hook with aliveness, by the way?
A much better question is how long till we get a rabbit not rabbit account. That will insist that they are indeed not rabbit, while exhibiting all the same behaviors?
Not that I am actually gleeful about this, cause I am not, but I do think it was due you can’t have people flaunting the rules.