This isn’t true, especially on the ground, where a broken ankle or other limb is not always going to be a “fight ender” especially in a life or death situation.
We’ve had this discussion before, but there is practically no empirical evidence that heel hooks stop a lot of street fights. If there is, please provide that video.
A heel hook doesn’t target the ankle you dingus.
It is easy to disengage and get up from a ground fight from the various positions where you have positional superiority in order to properly heel hook someone.
Have you ever suffered from the effects of a heel hook, pursued to completion? What do you imagine you would do about your broken knee and ankle? Do you think you’ll somehow rise to the occasion because you’re just such a survivor?
The ankle is what will break first, numbnuts.
Clearly you’ve never actually broken or maimed anyone in your whole life.
Or used a heel hook in a self defense situation.
I’ve been pretty well tied up in both BJJ and Judo by both noobs and seasoned people.
Haha, I even I almost attempted a heel hook on a higher level belt and quickly decided that was not the best decision (look in eye).
But to stay on topic, once again, what works well in competition does not necessarily translate well to SELF DEFENSE.
So you have no actual experience of the thing you’re claiming. So you don’t actually know what you’re talking about. As usual.
Absolutely wrong, this is a topic you don’t know anything about.
In fact isn’t that one of the rules you been warned about in this thread repeatedly?
Nope, you are not getting it. You are making claims about heel hooks “winning fights” and you have no evidence of that. What you do have is heel hooks winning competitions.
I am challenging your whole “broken leg” == fight over mentality. I am also skeptical of your experience breaking any part of anyone’s legs, so there’s that.
Oh God it’s the street vs. sport argument again. Isn’t that a bullshidoka argument? Isn’t that #31 on the list?
Right, do you not understand why they win competitions?
Do you not get people tap because they do not want to suffer the damage?
Do you know that competitors at the highest levels do take breaks?
They will even talk about the breaks they are willing to take or trade.
A tap is a conscious effort to give up so that you do not get injured.
People don’t end a Purse matches over PAIN they end it so that they are about to suffer a fight ending injury.
I have had a broken ankle once. I wasn’t moving in any direction after that, not even while lying on the ground, because it hurt so goddamn much.
This did not happen in a grappling context, but the injury was the same. I imagine a broken knee would be even worse.
Wabbit, what has been your experience of broken knees and ankles, whether in a grappling context or not? Were you doing little jigs immediately afterward?
You just made a perfectly unsound logical progression because once, again, a BJJ match is not a fight.
When Devil posted this same sentient, everyone agrees, but you have trouble understanding the nuance.
No, it’s the “BJJ matches aren’t fights” argument. See Devil, page somewhere around here…
Once again, Goodlun can’t support his claim about broken limbs being fight enders, based on his BJJ experience. He’s never won a fight with a heel hook, and he can’t provide any sort of body of evidence that such a technique is valuable outside a competition environment.
Once again you are hiding behind someone else because you can’t back up your idiot argument. There is nothing magical about a street fight that makes us able to shrug off serious joint fractures.
If you have specific evidence or experience to the contrary, share it now. Otherwise you have fallen afoul of the Bullshidoka arguments that you are always misusing to attack others. Try living up to your own claimed standards for once in your ridiculous life.
Heel hooks happen in MMA, the person I first started learning Heel Hooks from had success in using them in MMA matches.
Heel hooks happen at the highest levels of the fight game.
So nice try in thinking its a BJJ thing.
A Heel Hook is a Heel Hook Fight, BJJ or Combat JJ.
A Heel Hook from Backside 50/50 works really well in a fight.
It’s called a “citation”, and yes it’s exactly how one backs up their arguments in the academic sense.
And since he said it better, I figured you’d be interested. But you don’t care about martial arts, so you’re not. Your loss.
You’re missing some nuances because of your admitted lack of grappling training, I think. And you trollin’
Yes, the citations you never provide, or that never say what you claim they do. The citations you don’t have in this argument. The evidence you don’t have. The experience you lack.
Yes, I’m not an expert hand-to-hand fighter. That’s not some revelation you have made. That’s what I’ve said. But neither are you. I just don’t lie about it.
Mumbling that Devil said something somewhere is not a citation.
Everyone here knows exactly what I mean but you. Some even took part in the discussion.
If they don’t, they’re not paying attention to Devil, which is possible. He sometimes gets off topic.
On this particular issue of fighting in self defense vs. the intricacies of BJJ submissions, he and I are in totes agreement. Given how rarely that happens, you should pay closer attention.
Everyone here is kicking your ass over what you said. Yes, we all know what it means. We also know you’re fucking wrong.
This is extremely disingenuous you act like this submission has never been applied in a fighting situation. That is factually incorrect.
Hell you can see them used in Vale Tudo, Unifed rules MMA, Pride Rules MMA, Panration Rules MMA, Combat Sambo, Combat JJ, SAMBO, BJJ(Gi, No-gi, Points, Sub Only), Catch Wresting rulesets. You see them used to great effect in any rule set that allows them.
You can hit them from the top or the bottom.
That context of being able to hit them from the bottom is important, as its a means to go from a really bad position to a fight ending position.
The fact is you do not know what you are talking about.