Don’t you think if Ip Man himself was here in his prime he’d be whipping that ass in the cage with pure Wingy Chun-chun?
His rep as a world class fighter is regarded here as completely bullshit? As a former Kool aid chugging Chun man it’s still hard to come to terms with that.
[QUOTE=BackFistMonkey;2941326]Where is the data to support that he was a world class fighter?[/QUOTE]
My sifood mastah at the time, and everyone else I interacted with as a wing chun student said so. Most of the stuff depicted in the Ip Man movie was told to me in some form or another or I read it in wing chun - promoting material.
[QUOTE=ermghoti;2941499]You take that a fantasy movie was written from the myths of WC history is evidence supporting the truthiness of the stories?
You may want to sit down, I have some bad news about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.[/QUOTE]
I thought maybe there’s a little grain of truth in tales of his kick-assery? I mean Ronald Reagan wasn’t as great as fox news would have you believe, but he did have a lovely full head of hair.
[QUOTE=Permalost;2941533]Ip Man looked like a bald weakling, but to a lot of kung fu accolates that’s a good thing for some reason.[/QUOTE]
Exactly! I’d see an MMA or boxing match on TV and get this awesome smug feeling as I imagined Yip.Man in his Kung Fu robe gliding forward and making the modern sports fighter’s head explode with Superior rapid chain punches.
I’m 110% straight!
Leather over synthetic, lace over velcro – Generally speaking. If you’re just trying out a class as a beginner, cheap synthetic training gloves are fine for a couple months before you’ve made any sort of commitment to a gym.
Roy Jones Jr. from 1996 - 2003
From the three + plus years I spent training the Chun, the one fellow student who was able to really utilize the specific stuff and kick everyone’s (me, other students) ass was a tall rangy 6’2 guy, huge hands, long reach. If the sparring had been anything more intense than the chi sau to trying to trap the other guy’s arms and hit his chest, I would have been eating a lot of straight rights and lefts to the face, being 5’5 130 lbs.
Not a style that favors small people to the extent that it works as a way to back up/control an opponent. (Who’s preferably untrained, smaller, lighter)
[QUOTE=Holy Moment;2942217]
//youtu.be/aC5Ql78quAk
Penis.[/QUOTE]
Do you think yip man had a really big dick? I think so.
[QUOTE=baby_cart;2942400]so the creator of _ing __un, yim wing chun, is possibly a very large woman. and ip man was probably fighting jiangshi back then.[/QUOTE]
How big do you think Yip Man’s dick was? Was it more the thickness or length?
[QUOTE=ghost55;2813158]I would like to see a compromise of sorts: WC vs. MT with both people wearing traditional MT rope wraps.[/QUOTE]
Does that video at least refute the assertion that wing Chun is worse than nothing? That you’d be a better fighter if you did nothing at all?
[QUOTE=It is Fake;2813159]LOL. It is like 2006 all over again.
When the chun wins it is a beginner of whatever sport art that lost.
When the chun loses it is:
The Rules.
The Gloves.
The wraps.
The lack of Skill.
The fake chun.
The “He doesn’t have the real” chun.
The death touch.
The stop hits missing.
The Simultaneous block and strike missing.
The lack of eye rakes or gouges.
Back to your regularly scheduled upvoting of an idiot and beating of dead horses.[/QUOTE]
Does that video at least refute the assertion that wing Chun is worse than nothing? That you’d be a better fighter if you did nothing at all?
[QUOTE=BackFistMonkey;2942489]Nope. Wing Chun is OFTEN LITERALLY A HINDRANCE TO ONE’s PERFORMANCE.
Literally. Dictionary definition meaning exactly like or as.
Bad techniques with bad training methodology with bad sparring = shitty worse than no training.
Wing Chun is known for it’s : misguided teachers and students, poor overall quality control, rampant mythology based techniques (“teacher (or Teacher’s teacher) could do this with it”), shitty sparring/testing, and compliant circle jerk bullshit. Which lead the student or user thinking they have skillsets they don’t really have or that even exist.
Like trapping or the ability to fight larger/stronger people with having never fought before.[/QUOTE]
But in the context of that video clip, if the Muay Thai guy is some untrained dude they pulled in off the street, didn’t the chunner knock him around because of the amount of experience he gained from training in wing Chun? As in, wing chun > nothing?
[QUOTE=goodlun;2942527]Umm maybe? But most likely not.
Seems like a low bar to set as well.
Also a very silly bar to set.
Especially when one could join a boxing gym and be WAY more effective with their money and their time.
So sure you can waste your time to be slightly better than someone with 0 training at all?
Maybe?
or you could train some where and actually be effective against most people with 0 training.
I think I much rather use my time wisely.
So fuck the chun.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, of course, a very low bar. I quit wing Chun and moved on to boxing when three plus years of training didn’t seem to be amounting to shit. Also, a real eye opener that I was just as crap as everyone else in the beginner boxing classes despite my advanced wing Chun status. I just hate to think it somehow made me worse than if I had just sat on the couch.
[QUOTE=BackFistMonkey;2942679]You can drill shitty reactions into your game just as easily as you can train good reactions. Take for example the shitty footwork and arm punching in the Chun. If you are boxing now as you claim I am sure you have had to clean all that up and learn to punch from your toes.
You may have some sort of increased level of physical activity vs couch sitting but I am willing to bet you would have picked up the fundamentals of boxing much more quickly if you hadn’t spent three years learning a fucking joke of a martial art.
So “worse” ? I don’t know… maybe not worse but it definitely retarded your progress by three years cause as you say you joined a boxing club and still started at zero boxing knowledge… but now you have three years of chunning to overcome and it is human nature to try and salvage what you have been doing or supporting so I am sure much of your time learning is spent comparing what you are doing to what you were doing.[/QUOTE]
To be honest, there wasn’t much of an issue with un-learning wing Chun stuff, it was mostly just an intellectual memorization thing for the three hand sets, the weapon and dummy sets, which all went out the window when I stopped doing weekly practices. I’ve been boxing longer now then I did the Chun. But yeah, 3 years of my early twenties I could have been picking up boxing instead.
[QUOTE=BJMills;2947200]Just offhand, any martial art place that has the word dragon in its name has a 99.9% chance of being complete crap.
This is true for Chinese restaurants as well.
So…
Case closed.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=preschol;2947202]Yes, I am Sean Reed I live in Sugar Land Texas. I have blessed to train with many of the best people in the world, all can be verified. You tried to set up a fight between me and another member I agreed and he backed down. I can list my credentials and you are more than welcome to verify them. Tell you what…I list my credentials, and we can make a bet $5K that they are legit.
Start with Renzo Gracie, Jay White and Nick Sanzo. Nick saw me get my face smashed in and drive myself to the hospital. Do you want to see the steel plates? He saw me have my leg broken at a NAGA tournament. I won that fight, lost in the finals on a broken leg (my only loss of that year) and again drove myself to the hospital. I trained a few times with Ralph, the Camarillo brothers (while teaching in Stockton) and at a Rickson affiliated school and a Cassio Werneke school. Werneke has some outstanding grapplers.
Peter Allindo was my first boxing coach (Mike Tysons’ stablemate). Matt Ives was my first Kyokushin Instructor. He is the one who broke my orbital socket and eye socket, multiple compound fractures to each. I have had 6 surgeries to my face/head alone, most from the street. I am not proud of that fact, but it is true. When I came to Texas I trained with Mike Altman, and for a bit with Kru Pong. Mike was a san Shou champ and MMA pro who lost to Cung Le. He also has, I believe, a BJJ brown belt. I taught for a year or so at a local school. For 2 years I trained with Joe and Jason Soliz. They do not like me, especially Jason, but I spared with Jason at every opportunity (the kid has very good standup). 55 years old and still sparring with professional fighters. I have trained with about 15 MMA pros. Estimate.
Most recently I had my nose broken in Professor Solizes’ class from a head butt. Bled all over the place but he would not let me continue training, which pissed me off.
I will post up where my son is currently training, the Perez Brothers in Richmond Texas. I box there currently, although I have stopped sparring. Talk to Fernando at the Fort Bend Wrestling club. He has seen what I have to offer.
Currently working with a former member of the Cuban Olympic Wrestling Team https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Varela_(wrestler)
I have Carlos’ and Fernandos’ cell phone numbers on speed dial. I have contact info for other people as well. Several are on facebook. Go talk to Nick. He fought in the UFC.
So, can we move on and try and help out the new guy? I am more than happy to take the bet
I am 55 years old and still not afraid of shit (accept mu wife…OK, and snakes). I had my nose broken
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I am here to give the OP some good advice. Do you want to try and help people find answers or do you want further embarrassment?
I love and respect nearly all martial arts.[/QUOTE]
I think you’re exaggerating whatever you’re boxing background really is. As grappling pointed out with your statements about BJJ, the way you describe things is off, like you’re just cribbing technical terms you heard some where. You said you trained in the cus D’amato camp? You make it sound like you were there in the early 80s helping Tyson get ready for his pro debut lol
He seems to have a legit boxing background, there’s quite a few amateur fights of his up on YouTube, but he certainly has gone the Matt Furey route marketing himself.
[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2948797]I’m sure if you humble yourself and beg his forgiveness Master Foster will forgive you. Unless he is having a teen moment of course then you are screwed. Clearly though he is legit. He even uses the feared and deadly reverse grip known for its lethality and badassery from the numerous places it has appeared in video games, comic books and bad hollywood films.[/QUOTE]
At least he’s doing this instead of joining a white supremacist hate group, right?