From my experience, the BJJ guys have way better technique than the submision wrestlers. In my school the sub grapplers are way easier to roll with than our guys from the gi program.
I don’t like rolling with a gi(Sweaty hot)but I have got way more technical rolling with it on.
If you want to be a great grappler thab go to a real BJJ program.
sub grapplers are all macho muscle meat heads with lots of tattoos and no technique
Is this a “I love my Gi” or “I hate sweaty men bearing down on me” thread???
I think he’s making the point that training with a gi makes one a technically superior grappler.
In which case, I agree.
not sure but sub wrestling can really help bjj like how bjj can really help wrestling…
to be honest I would PERSONALLY pick BJJ and maybe try out some sub grappling to advance my BJJ. Depending on whats best for you though
Most guys that do BJJ are elitist douche bags who can’t see things beyond their own chin. They’re two different monsters gi and no gi. Stating that one is more technical is just an ignorant statement that you’ve probably been brain washed into thinking.
Most beginning BJJ guys don’t even realize their grips can be used against them as they hold on for dear life in hopes of not getting their guard passed. No gi forces you to find leverage with different grips and equate into the balance less friction in your holds.
Try to clear the shit out of your ears as you remove your heads out your asses.
[quote=Omega the Merciless;2157102]Most guys that do BJJ are elitist douche bags who can’t see things beyond their own chin. They’re two different monsters gi and no gi. Stating that one is more technical is just an ignorant statement that you’ve probably been brain washed into thinking.
Most beginning BJJ guys don’t even realize their grips can be used against them as they hold on for dear life in hopes of not getting their guard passed. No gi forces you to find leverage with different grips and equate into the balance less friction in your holds.
Try to clear the shit out of your ears as you remove your heads out your asses.[/quote]
thats what I was thinkin. like srsly…(no really I was thinking that)
Me too. It is like saying tennis is better than golf.
They are totally different. If you intend to compete with a Gi then you should train with one. If you do not then you shouldnt.
[quote=Omega the Merciless;2157102]They’re two different monsters gi and no gi. Stating that one is more technical is just an ignorant statement that you’ve probably been brain washed into thinking.
Most beginning BJJ guys don’t even realize their grips can be used against them as they hold on for dear life in hopes of not getting their guard passed. No gi forces you to find leverage with different grips and equate into the balance less friction in your holds.
Try to clear the shit out of your ears as you remove your heads out your asses.[/quote]
Yet when I say this nobody fuckin’ listens. (Not here - why would I bother saying it here?). I have this conversation probably 2-3 times a year minimum and the idiot (read: human being talking to me at any given time) just doesn’t get it. Fuckers. I hate them.
Oh, BTW I agree with what Omega said.
Its like everything, there are advantages and disadvantages to Gi-training.
One of the main problems with modern BJJ training is the concept of striking seems to be completetly ignored. In anything other than a grappling match your opponent is going to be throwing punches. The majority of Sub Grap’ classes are taught within MMA gyms and tend to give far more thought to this.
Dave Camarillo says something at the beginning of his book about how it’s better to train with a Gi as it teaches you better technique, the thinking being that if you’re rolling with someone with no Gi, it’s harder to get a grip on sweaty skin thus you get sloppy and end up using force rather than proper technique. Then if you compete with no Gi it’s easy enough to adapt. I’m too much of a n00b to know if this is true or not, but just thought I’d share…
[quote=Kambei Shimada;2157148]Its like everything, there are advantages and disadvantages to Gi-training.
One of the main problems with modern BJJ training is the concept of striking seems to be completetly ignored. In anything other than a grappling match your opponent is going to be throwing punches. The majority of Sub Grap’ classes are taught within MMA gyms and tend to give far more thought to this.[/quote]
Striking is not discussed here, me thinks.
You either train pure grappling (with or without gi) or you mix striking in.
It’s illogical to criticise a pure BJJ gym for “neglecting” punches when they don’t prepare for MMA matches, only BJJ/grappling tournaments.
…and I always thought that no-Gi Bjj was Submission Wrestling…
Damn, got to do some more reading of the different grappling styles.
[quote=Tonuzaba;2157155]Striking is not discussed here, me thinks.
You either train pure grappling (with or without gi) or you mix striking in.
It’s illogical to criticise a pure BJJ gym for “neglecting” punches when they don’t prepare for MMA matches, only BJJ/grappling tournaments.[/quote]
Considering just about every BJJ school claims to teach ‘Self Defence’ I think its relevant.
You’re right, the instructor has to be very clear about what he teaches/doesn’t teach - the student has to know (if he has to be told), that while grappling techniques are very effective and under certain circumstances of very high percentage of success, you can’t learn to fight against punches if there are no punches being thrown at you.
My BJJ school teaches sport BJJ - we sometimes get certain situations explained from the perspective of a hostile encounter, but we end up training to get the most points/succesful submission on a BJJ gi/no gi match.
People interested in striking are told to take up boxing, MT or find an MMA place.
The grips are totally different. How is being used to being able to hold a lapel or sleeve relevant when you have no shirt on?
You need to learn all new grips.
i like no gi better because i get to wear my rashguard and people say i look totally hot in it.
i like to feel sexy.
[quote=Horus;2157153]Dave Camarillo says something at the beginning of his book about how it’s better to train with a Gi as it teaches you better technique, the thinking being that if you’re rolling with someone with no Gi, it’s harder to get a grip on sweaty skin thus you get sloppy and end up using force rather than proper technique. Then if you compete with no Gi it’s easy enough to adapt. I’m too much of a n00b to know if this is true or not, but just thought I’d share…[/quote]It’s complete bullshit. If you do both you’ll be able to translate things back an forth. I’m trained in both. Been doing it for years. My mentality changes between the two. IMO it’s like night and day. One’s slower than the other, the way you catch people are different. It’s like Rugby and American Football; they look the same but different.
I agree with Omega in that you need to do both, I do feel Gi makes you more technical, but my reasoning is a little different.
taking the variety of grip and techniques out of the equation the Gi allows you to slow things down so especially as a beginner, you have time to think you’re way out of problems.
ON the other hand no-gi is benefitial in that you have less time, have to work harder and the sweaty slippery factor forces you to compensate with more precision of movement.
So duh a good grappling program should have both.
I prefer gi but for my own development try to do 1 no-gi class a week
How the fuck does a gi make you more technical? Somebody fucking explain that. You know how many times I’ve had to re correct gi orientated BJJ guys because of their fucking concept of using a gi? Doesn’t make you more technical in your grappling.
There are different strategies, there are different holds there are gi chokes if that’s your fucking argument, or is it the fact that you’ve got to be aware of your opponent grabbing different part of your uniform? That’s not more technical.
In no gi how do you pull off sweeps you’ve become dependent upon as a gi player? Because you only go to a no gi school does that mean you can’t learn these maneuvers? Do you guys know how asinine that fucking statements is?