That rocked, man. Form was great, esp for reps at that weight!
There is a depth called ass-to-grass for squats, but no way you’d expect that at that weight.
Nice job.
I have never heard of this mythical depth before… Pray tell me more?
Get well below parallel. No, it is not bad for you. If you think it is, google “Mark Rippetoe” and squats.
I don’t know what you found when you googled, but read this: http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ#The_Squat
From the horse’s mouth. Now go squat below parallel.
Read the post, don’t just grab a random picture out of it.
Deep, controlled squats are not only NOT “bad for the knees”, they are, in fact, good for the knees. Properly performed, they evenly and proportionately strengthen all muscles which stabilize and control the knee (in addition to strengthening the muscles of the hip and posterior chain, upper back, shoulder girdle etc). When the hips are lowered in a controlled fashion below the level of the top of the patella, full hip flexion has occurred, and this will activate the hamstrings and glutes. In doing so, the hamstrings are stretched at the bottom of the motion and they pull the tibia backwards (toward da’ butt) which counteracts the forward-pulling force the quadriceps apply during the motion. As a result, the stress on the knee tendons is lessened since the hamstrings assist the patellar tendon in stabilization of the knee. A muscle supporting a tendon which supports the kneecap is going to be better than the tendon having to take up the entirety of the strain by itself.
Think about Olympic lifters. They squat VERY deep (almost ridiculously deep) all the time, frequently 5 or 6 times weekly, with very heavy weight. If deep squats were so bad for their knees, they wouldn’t be able to squat that deep, that often, and that heavy.
Partial squats, however, will NOT activate the hamstrings, and the amount of shearing force on the patellar tendon increases exponentially. What WILL happen if you do partial squats is that your quadriceps will become disproportionately strong as compared to your hamstrings, and the following are likely results:
- In partial squats, the hamstrings aren’t activated, which means the patellar tendon takes up all the strain/stress/pull during squats. As a result, fatigue and damage to the tendon can accumulate because tendons recover MUCH slower than muscles. Any type of action involving knee bend can then cause further stress and strain during daily activity. This is asking for trouble. If the hamstring is strong, it drastically reduces the amount of stress on the patellar tendon. Full squats make the hamstrings strong. Partial squats allow the hamstrings to become weak. Weak hamstrings are bad Bad BAD.
- Partial squats develop the quads and neglect the hamstrings. Weak hamstrings coupled with strong quads result in hamstring pulls while sprinting, starting or stopping suddenly, playing sports, etc… They frequently occur as the result of muscular imbalances across the knee joint. Strong quadriceps and weaker hamstrings result in a knee joint that is unstable during rapid acceleration and slowing, and the hamstrings are unable to counteract the powerful forces that occur during sudden stops and starts. In other words, you do a sprint with extra-strong quads and weak hammies, and you are begging for a pulled hamstring because your hamstring isn’t as strong as the quads and isn’t able to perform an adequate eccentric contraction to keep your knee joint from hyperextending during a sprint. As a result, you strain the hamstring because, although it isn’t strong enough to do the job, it will hurt itself trying.
- In sports, your acceleration will be weak, as will your jumping ability, as a result of underdeveloped hamstrings and hips. Poor speed/acceleration = poor performance
- You will end up using stupidly heavy weights in the partial squat due to the mechanical advantage afforded by partial squats, and you put your back and even shoulder girdle at risk due to the extreme loading of the spine
It wasn’t random.
Stop posting gibberish and start paying attention.
That picture is to demonstrate the angles of the body and incorrect leaning.
If you would actually read-assuming you know how to read- what he specifically says on low squats, which is what I posted then you would understand. Rippetoe is highly regarded in strength training.
Highly regarded by who exactly?
No. It is an illustration of three different types of squats - front squat, high bar squat, and low bar squat. None of the three are “incorrect”.
It is also, not coincidentally, an illustration of what a below-parallel squat looks like, despite being nowhere near to ass-to-ground.
Your antagonism is notably unhelpful.
The paragraphs you posted a few posts ago are a mix of straw men and misapprehensions about biomechanics. I may respond to them later, but for now, I have other matters to attend to.
In the meantime, re-read this thread and look for ways in which you have missed the point.
If I could +rep Russ any harder I would.
1st off dumbass, I didn’t say there was anything wrong with Emevas’ form at all.
2nd, let’s see you go ass to grass with the weight Rippetoe has on his bar there. Nobody does.
3rd, do you see the wraps on his knees?
4th, even Rippetoe says he should have gone lower.
5th, here are his qualifications: Mark Rippetoe CSCS is the owner of WFAC. He has 25 years experience in the fitness industry, 10 years experience as a competitive powerlifter. He has coached athletes in barbell and strength sports since 1980, and has worked in the fitness industry in Wichita Falls since 1978. He was in the very first group to sit for the NSCA’s Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist exam in 1985, and has been continuously certified since then. He was certified by USA Weightlifting as a Level III Coach in 1988, and currently holds the Senior Coach certification, as well as the USA Track and Field Level I Coach certification.
Now go back to your 1/4 depth squats if they make you feel so good.
What a bunch of ignorant close minded asses on this forum.
Who the Hell are you even talking to?
Dude, what’s wrong with you? Incidentally I brought Rippetoe’s book to read during lunch, and I’m looking at that picture, at that page. It is absolutely and categorically NOT TRUE that this illustration is to demonstrate the angles of incorrect leaning.
And you talk about Rippetoe as if we ignore him, berate him or otherwise don’t know who he is. You are just building strawmans, assuming people are saying things they are not, simply for arguments’ sake.
Take a deep breath, close your eyes and still on a corner still until your meds wear off. Take a valium or something.
Aghhh, I closed the thread before dumping it to trollshido. Oh well.
This is the first part: ZOMG!!! I RUN OUT OF VALIUM!!! PLEASE MAKE THE VOICES STOP!!! - No BS Martial Arts
Culled from My squat video: 405+chains for 3x5 - No BS Martial Arts
Here is where you went off the deep end, you raving lunatic. You talk as if the person you are talking to is completely ignorant about what a ATG squat is. And Sakmongkol simply baited you with sarcasm because of it:
He was being sarcastic because ATG’s have been discussed ad nauseam in multiple threads. And here you come with “you know, if you don’t know, there is something called ATG… duh!”
And then you went even more off the tangent, thinking you are bringing new light in what’s already a dead-beat horse
In own very book and in his forum, he talks that ATGs are not really needed for strenght development in most cases. And to make you even more of a bad joke, you come here saying “google ‘Mark Rippetoe’” as if nobody in these forums know who he is.
What the fuck have you been reading in these threads that make you think we don’t know who he is? His name and his book get recommended here all the time. Your attitude is a mixture of funny and pathetic.
Who are you talking to? That voice you are arguing with, that’s in your head. Stop it, it’s fucking creepy.
Why? Because laugh at you for being such a moron?
You come here and start talking about ATGs as if that were a topic that had never been discussed here.
Then you begin to assume people think ATGs are bad (which just shows you’ve never even read the fucking stickies in this forum).
Then you come up with Rippetoe’s name to back up ATGs (which was never a topic being argued against) like if we didn’t know who he is.
And as you are getting madder and creepier, you are accusing others of being closed-minded assholes.
Dude, seriously, your meds are expired or something.
Dude, you tricked me.
I was totally ready to sell you some valium.
I was itching to dissect his ramble about quad-hamstring imbalance, but this is probably much better. Thanks.
Imagine my surprise to find out you’re not ignorant assholes- just plain assholes. How do you attract any new members on to this forum that aren’t? Are you a moderator? What a shame.
It stands to reason that if you think we’re assholes and you’re not, we wouldn’t want to attract people who aren’t assholes. Think about it.