Personally I think Judo owes more to sumo than JJJ.
Kano never said it.But I think it’s pretty clear.
Budd I have a number of videos of Kung Fu etc ppl fighting, they always loose or can never show their art working. Why aren’t these people able to show evidence of what they do working? answer: because what they doesn’t work. Show me the clips you refer to?
There was that time that Asia beat CT using only his Baji. If you think Asia is the best that Baji has to offer you’re an idiot.
So besides Cung Le (shidokan or MMA lite), Asia, and Myself kung-fu doesn’t work. Besides Carlos Newton and Earnie Boggs and his entire group JJJ doesn’t work. Got it. Here’s a shoe horn.
Originally posted by Strong Machine
Personally I think Judo owes more to sumo than JJJ.
Kano never said it.But I think it’s pretty clear.
How do you figure?
Sumo as trained nowadays or historically?
Originally posted by omega
So besides Cung Le (shidokan or MMA lite), Asia, and Myself kung-fu doesn’t work. Besides Carlos Newton and Earnie Boggs and his entire group JJJ doesn’t work. Got it. Here’s a shoe horn.
Just in case you didn’t see that.
Originally posted by Strong Machine
Personally I think Judo owes more to sumo than JJJ.
Kano never said it.But I think it’s pretty clear.
Wich i find HILARIOUS because Sumo is little more than a Kuiaijiao rules match . (anything otehr than the foot hits the ground or you leave the Area you lose)
Hehehe , the more things change …
Budd - sorry re-read, you don’t have any evidence then…?
Osiris - that’s been addressed.
MrMantis - clip doesn’t work.
Originally posted by Strong Machine
Personally I think Judo owes more to sumo than JJJ.
Kano never said it.But I think it’s pretty clear.
You know I usually tend to agree with you but no.
Maybe a lot of people don’t care about providing proof to appease an annoyance. Just because you have never seen proof that is good enough for you, doesn’t make it true. So what if you don’t believe it. If the practitioners believe it and have the proof THEY need who gives a rat’s ass what someone else thinks? Just because there are some piss poor examples of ALL arts out there, doesn’t make the art itself bad, just a bad demonstrator(except for full contact ballet, sucks all around). There have been plenty of accounts of Jujutsu being used for survival. Same with any number of other arts. I’m under the impression that it is worthless unless you are any good at it. Accurate assumption???
Osiris - that’s been addressed.
Then why are you still talking?
Originally posted by Blad3
Budd - sorry re-read, you don’t have any evidence then…?
Osiris - that’s been addressed.
MrMantis - clip doesn’t work.
Ah , the “impregnable Ignorance” tactic !!!
Its been a while since weve seen this one !
Chung Le does San Shou, wrestlers, you do MMA and I don;t know what else, Asia does boxing+ wrestling and I haven’t seen him actually use BAJI (he threw two punches or so at Throwdown.)
Carlson Newton? BJJ, Judo, sub grappling, I doubt he uses JJJ. where did he learn this JJJ from?
Originally posted by Blad3
Budd - sorry re-read, you don’t have any evidence then…?
Nice try, but no dice. Guess you’ll have to re-read again.
Originally posted by omega
You know I usually tend to agree with you but no.
Well , seeing how Sumo has NO Groundwork , I have o side with YOU on this one .
Damnit .
Gung Fu? I had Gung Fu for lunch yesterday, with a healthy side of STFU…
Originally posted by Blad3
MrMantis - clip doesn’t work.
Shit! That clip should be in the downloads section anyway. I can e-mail it to someone willing to host it later today.
Anyone?
Well since I SAW “king fu” “masters” in Macao and Hing kong and they did faught very well, I guess, by your criteria, that is enough ?
Originally posted by Blad3
Chung Le does San Shou, wrestlers, you do MMA and I don;t know what else, Asia does boxing+ wrestling and I haven’t seen him actually use BAJI (he threw two punches or so at Throwdown.)
Carlson Newton? BJJ, Judo, sub grappling, I doubt he uses JJJ. where did he learn this JJJ from?
Read Blade read.
Cung Le has done Shidokan which has a last round MMA in which he’s tapped people. I believe 4 fights.
Nobody said that as a Kung-fu guy can’t cross train they’ve been doing it for years and I’m a first and foremost Kung-fu practitioner.
Carlos newton is originally JJJ and hasn’t claimed much differance since.
And you’ve still yet to address Earnie Boggs.
Here’s a crowbar get your head out of your ass.
Whatever. Fighting is fighting. If you train in an alive manner and spar against people from a wide array of styles, you’re gonna get good. It doesn’t matter what you train in.
Originally posted by Djimbe
[B]Well , seeing how Sumo has NO Groundwork , I have o side with YOU on this one .
Damnit . [/B]
Yeah that’s what I was saying.
(I actually am siding with Djimbe?)