With Kali as my core Art, this real world application of weapons is of interest to me, but I am not sure if it is appropriate for this forum. If not, I will be glad to delete or content if the moderator does so.
https://www.facebook.com/militaryarms/posts/2928521337159646?hc_location=ufi
[QUOTE=Crafty Dog;3060135]With Kali as my core Art, this real world application of weapons is of interest to me, but I am not sure if it is appropriate for this forum. If not, I will be glad to delete or content if the moderator does so.
https://www.facebook.com/militaryarms/posts/2928521337159646?hc_location=ufi[/QUOTE]
No, it’s good for discussion, sad that it is a topic.
My my brother inlaw is now a greeter at the church door. For reason.
Sad it has come to this. Some people see no value in life. Their’s or others.
I was very impressed with how quickly the GG was able to get into the fight mentally, draw his gun from concealment, and make a very challenging shot, dropping the BG.
That several other members of the congregations were ready to go had he missed sends a message loud and clear.
[QUOTE=Crafty Dog;3060135]With Kali as my core Art, this real world application of weapons is of interest to me, but I am not sure if it is appropriate for this forum. If not, I will be glad to delete or content if the moderator does so.
https://www.facebook.com/militaryarms/posts/2928521337159646?hc_location=ufi[/QUOTE]
Book of face has apparently taken down the link.
Try this:
[QUOTE=Crafty Dog;3060165]Try this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5NzuGSkL2E&feature=em-uploademail&bpctr=1577718661[/QUOTE]
That one works.
Another one shot stop for .357sig.
My first pistol was a 357 revolver. Damn that thing was LOUD with a KICK! Sold it and eventually settled on a G19.
[QUOTE=Crafty Dog;3060286]My first pistol was a 357 revolver. Damn that thing was LOUD with a KICK! Sold it and eventually settled on a G19.[/QUOTE]
Hey Crafty, check out the forthcoming G44.
Glock 19 form factor but Glock factory fitted for .22LR.
Pays for itself in range ammo savings pretty quick…
Damn. Thanks for the video.
Now, let me Texas you up a bit:
You know you done fucked up good walking into a church full of blue hairs, when you got three handguns on you within 3 seconds. What the fuck was this guy thinking?
People suck. Dead people suck less. Good riddance.
Moved (well, cross-linked, really) from TMA, because I think this has implications/applications outside of TMA. Thanks, Crafty! I was “occupied,” this weekend, and didn’t catch any news until today.
[QUOTE=Crafty Dog;3060135]With Kali as my core Art, this real world application of weapons is of interest to me, but I am not sure if it is appropriate for this forum. If not, I will be glad to delete or content if the moderator does so.
https://www.facebook.com/militaryarms/posts/2928521337159646?hc_location=ufi[/QUOTE]
I make it a point to not consume these sort of things, but thanks for the share.
I would suggest that this sort of thing will always be welcome here.
Also, this is in armory because I want to examine the stuff that the YT video talks about, we can have a separate thread in GenBS for the asshole and the heroes, and aftermath. Thank you.
Also, I was incorrect, in rewatching the video in full there were at least 6 armed congregants, including the first man down. I totally missed that he got hung up on his jacket from IWB draw from mexican/kidney.
On a slightly political, and mostly tactical, note: I like this term “immediate responder,” to differentiate from “first responder.” Watching a presser with various administrators, and they were definitely talking up the “when seconds matter, police are only minutes away,” angle, but in a respectful way.
[QUOTE=Nutcracker, sweet!;3060312]On a slightly political, and mostly tactical, note: I like this term “immediate responder,” to differentiate from “first responder.” Watching a presser with various administrators, and they were definitely talking up the “when seconds matter, police are only minutes away,” angle, but in a respectful way.[/QUOTE]EMTs also tend to be pretty far off at times like these, unfortunately. I have been playing with an ankle IFAK that doesn’t print too badly. This is yet another reminder that I should be wearing the thing full time. Probably couldn’t have done anything for this asshole’s victims, sadly.
[QUOTE=Cassius;3060315]EMTs also tend to be pretty far off at times like these, unfortunately. I have been playing with an ankle IFAK that doesn’t print too badly. This is yet another reminder that I should be wearing the thing full time. Probably couldn’t have done anything for this asshole’s victims, sadly.[/QUOTE]
OK, so hero was not FBI. He was a deputy for a brief time, and remains a firearms instructor, and is the “bishop in charge of security,” or something I don’t remember the exact words. Interesting interview, though, and gives some insight into what went down:
Definitely some things to be studied, here.
First, they (as a church) had a tactical team, who trained. Not because of Sutherland Springs, but because they moved into a high-crime location.
Second, they (as a church) had a tactical team, who trained.
Third, they have video surveillance which wasn’t being leveraged for just-in-time decisioning.
Fourth, they were actually very slow to act, considering how suspicious he says they were… I guess being in church has sort of a disarming effect? That’s not a pun.
Those guards were not paranoid enough about that guy’s behavior. They were also poorly positioned to be acting as armed guards, from what I could see.
In any case, good shooting by the guy who got him, for sure.
I’d also suggest body armor for all of them, if they were not wearing it in the first place.
I have some unique insight into armed church security. I have multiple family members who are preachers. One of which was actually a bivocational preacher and cop at the same time. One is currently a preacher and also certified security guard. Both carry when they preach and have implemented security teams at the church.
HOWEVER, they also try to be accepting of new and unusual people in the church. Open into the arms of Jesus per se. And they are pretty open about that. They want you watching the new people but also accepting them. It’s an unusual place to come from. Now, this dude had a hoodie on, from what I could tell, which was a little unusual and would have thrown some flags for me. But we have also been conditioned not to be suspicious of people in hoodies, per the Trayvon Martin ordeal. I know people who speak openly about that. They don’t want to be looked at as discriminating and such.
At one time there was a preacher who was going around to churches and dressing as a homeless man. He would sit on the steps out front and see who would approach him. Then, when no one did, walk into the service and talk about church hypocrisy. It was a pretty popular thing going around for a while.
So people are sitting on both sides of that coin in instances like this. Easy to say, they should have been more aware of this guy. But on the other side, they are trying not to be too aware of him, to accept him into the congregation.
It’s an interesting situation.
[QUOTE=Diesel_tke;3061503]I have some unique insight into armed church security. I have multiple family members who are preachers. One of which was actually a bivocational preacher and cop at the same time. One is currently a preacher and also certified security guard. Both carry when they preach and have implemented security teams at the church.
HOWEVER, they also try to be accepting of new and unusual people in the church. Open into the arms of Jesus per se. And they are pretty open about that. They want you watching the new people but also accepting them. It’s an unusual place to come from. Now, this dude had a hoodie on, from what I could tell, which was a little unusual and would have thrown some flags for me. But we have also been conditioned not to be suspicious of people in hoodies, per the Trayvon Martin ordeal. I know people who speak openly about that. They don’t want to be looked at as discriminating and such.
At one time there was a preacher who was going around to churches and dressing as a homeless man. He would sit on the steps out front and see who would approach him. Then, when no one did, walk into the service and talk about church hypocrisy. It was a pretty popular thing going around for a while.
So people are sitting on both sides of that coin in instances like this. Easy to say, they should have been more aware of this guy. But on the other side, they are trying not to be too aware of him, to accept him into the congregation.
It’s an interesting situation.[/QUOTE]
Lock the door and screen people outside, it’s pretty simple.
Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel…