Tai chis is underrated

MMA and Martial Arts
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Years ago I did some light striking sparing with a non martial tai chi teacher

Mostly hand grabs

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Grabbing hands? That may have been just foreplay.

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I have noticed that as well.

The way he handles himself and hisā€¦ attitudeā€¦ seems telling to me.

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Look up Chen Z, or Chen style

They grapple full force, and have combined striking and grappling.

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The throwing is very similar, really, except they donā€™t use long sleeved jackets, or no jacket at all.

There isnā€™t any groundwork Iā€™m aware of.

Also, striking is involved, unlike Judo, even older Judo. The striking is much more extensive.

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Chen Zā€¦

Chen Z

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There is no video of the real Tai Chi?

Because of your pedigree i am treading cautiously here but seriously if it exists and in 2022 there is no video of it ? I am going to struggle moving it from the bullshit column into the wow I have learned something today column.

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Where have you been dude? You canā€™t even trust video online anymore. There are fakes of everything now.

Personally I hate Tai Chi and associate it with pussies who canā€™t fight but want to appear deft. But even if you showed me Connor McGregor using some fancy Tai Chi move to fuck up some guy, I couldnā€™t believe it. Iā€™ve seen porn of every Harry Potter character and it looked 100% legit. Someone out there is already making fake Tai Chi videos that will trick your mind just the same. Say goodbye to the era of video evidence.

Fuck the internet, canā€™t truss shit.

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Itā€™s a weird scenario where the people with the technical notes canā€™t grapple. But if you were to hand said notes to a BJJ guy and be like ā€œHey, do these techniquesā€, the BJJ guy would have it figured out in less than a month.

Itā€™s like a whole fuck ton of these:

MMA FIGHT BREAKDOWN: Shinya Aoki Standing Armpit Armbar Submission! | Evolve University - YouTube

What I did was find white belts to practice on, then work my way up until it worked on black belts. I was actually gonna present it, but the community was so intent on destroying my home that my partner could no longer form coherent sentences, let alone make an instructional video. Though now that I think about it, I may have video.

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Wow. Ok that guy is not a pussy but has he trained Tai chi? If so you just blew my mind open.

That shit is not in BJJ right? 30 years of watching MMA, never seen that before.

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AFAIK he does NOT know tai chi. I use that example because that IS how tai chi works and what it does. So if you can already fight, picking up tai chi lets you add those techniques to your style. I donā€™t recommend TRAINING it, if you can grapple. I recommend studying it.

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What a lot of people donā€™t get is that there is nothing magic about BJJ. A technically sound armbar is a technically sound armbar. Tai chi has lots of technically sound armbars that are not in BJJ. Copy and paste, ya know?

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I have found some of what I think you are referring too , actually wasnt that hard.

I have seen Aikido work in a BJJ gym when somebody with a reasonably high level of BJJ uses that base to get somebody in a position where what they referred to as an Aikido wrist lock worked and submitted their opponent.

Of course attempting the wrist lock without the rest of their knowledge would not have worked.

Is that what you are getting at here?

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Thatā€™s the material, but that ainā€™t how to train it if you want it to work. Train like itā€™s BJJ, add the taiji tech.

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ok now it makes sense.

Id actually enjoy doing that .

As an old school kung fu movie guy I lost my shit when Shang Chiā€™s mum started using Tai Chi and then he did at the end.

Gave me goose bumps not felt since Samo Hung taught Tai Chi to Jet Li at the end of Evil Cult when he wasnt allowed to use Magic Stance or Solar Stance.

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Try it then. Pick a few cool moves and then get to subbing people.

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Iā€™m just going to say Judo winsā€¦Again!

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Except they arenā€™t ā€œaikidoā€ wrist locks.

This is the common mistake I see tons of BJJers make about joint locks in general.

Aikido wrist locks are standard stuff in Japanese Jiu Jitsu, same sources as for Judo.

Judo has both of them, Kote Gaeshi is a name in common, and the twisting wrist lock is Kote Hineri in Judo.

ā€œAikido wristlockā€ is a huge misnomer.