Originally posted by Angry_Spastic
As a person who has Scandinavian heritage and a lifelong interest in Nordic culture, I say Bullshido.
Christ allmighty, he is alive.
Anyone who practices real historical european MA will tell you, Stav = bullshido. There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE to support the claims of Stav practitcioners. None.
Originally posted by ronin69
Here you go, the principles of STAV.
Get stick.
Hit opponent in head.
Pilage village, rape horses, ride off on the women.
Fondle goats on way out.
It was a good day.
Stav is total bullshit. You could do more research to another (100% ass) martial art; Kas-Pin, although I doubt there are any English pages about it. They’re probably scared that foreigners would laugh their asses off readin the kind of ‘history’ they have…
I’m told there’s a version of this, practiced only among Ashkenazi of Nordic descent, called Stav Maga…
Do they wear horned helmets and yell “Odinnnn” when they fight?
Originally posted by ronin69
Here you go, the principles of STAV.
Get stick.
Hit opponent in head.
Pilage village, rape horses, ride off on the women.
Fondle goats on way out.
It was a good day.
Dude, where I sign up?
THORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!
I strike you down with mighty Mjolnir!
I believe it is Sifu Thor, God of Thunder who invented Stav.
Stav is a very lame home-brewed MA which mixes lame Tai Chi-like grappling SCA-like staff fighting and pseudo-yogic exercises based on trying to stand in the shapes suggested by norse runes.
It’s a quack MA whose target audience are closet-racist newagers who don’t want to do anything ‘non-european’, are too fat and/or unhealthy to do boxing, savate or wrestling, but would like a little bit of D & D mysticism thrown in.
Real vikings ‘trained’ by wrasslin’ and dueling each other whenever they had spare time from the age of about 9, doing it for real at every opportunity, and eating as much fish, cheese and meat as they could get their hands on.
Originally posted by wingchunnewbie
[B]Stav is a very lame home-brewed MA which mixes lame Tai Chi-like grappling SCA-like staff fighting and pseudo-yogic exercises based on trying to stand in the shapes suggested by norse runes.
It’s a quack MA whose target audience are closet-racist newagers who don’t want to do anything ‘non-european’, are too fat and/or unhealthy to do boxing, savate or wrestling, but would like a little bit of D & D mysticism thrown in. [/B]
Thank you for a brilliant description of this ‘"’‘art’“'”.
I’m a huge fan of Savate myself & wonder why it isn’t generally even remembered/recognized as a MA.
& there are more sad excuses for inventing ‘european MAs’, like the aforementioned Kas-Pin…
WTF are these lamers inventing, when they should be doing Savate and Wrestling anyway.
& I sure as fuck am not any kind of a nazi or racist… as can immediately proven by my older posts.
Originally posted by Zendetta
[B]Yep. Psychedelic mushrooms were one of their favorites. Some would get wasted enough to think/hallucinate that they turned into bears on the battlefield. This is where we get the word “beserker” from “ber sark”, meaning “bear shirt” - they wore bearskins into battle.
Hmm. Doing forms practice in the park
or
eating magic mushrooms, turning into a bear, and killing the shit out of eveything around…
Like I said, I think real Vikings would be bored shitless with this Stav stuff, but it will probalby be a big hit with the SCA crowd. [/B]
Actually… Debates exist between Norse scholars on whether or not the mushrooms were consumed by Viking Bezerkers before going into battle.
Stav is about as much an old Viking Art as TKD is an old Hwarang Art. I was a total history nerd when I was younger and there is no possible way any MA survived in Scandinavia as far as I can tell. If anyone can point me to where he would have found this miraculous material, I’d be intrigued.
Closest thing to Martial arts “training” you can find would be as mentioned by WCN the wrestling and general dueling which was called “Holmgang”. Guess the closest comparison would be a UFC match.
Yes ber is from Bar which around that time was the word for bear. And serk was a “shirt” of sorts. Going berserk is just the description of someone going nuts and ripping up everything around them.
Stav is as far as I can tell complete bullshido. Even though all I know about it is from a few bad pictures and equally bad storytelling about it’s history on crappy webpages. I’d be very happy if Vikings had an art of their own that survived, since they were pretty much undisputed warriors for a rather large period of time. But unfortunately there’s no such thing
I bet they practice with aliveness.
OK… since we seem to have a font of ignorance here in Bullshido Land.
Ivar is a japanese-trained martial artist. Oddly enough much of
the “combative” side of stav looks like bojitsu and staff fighting.
Now the “lame tai chi like” side of things is coming from a completely
Different angle.
Back in the day before Hitler came to power in Germany there was
a German Theosophist (Theosophist like Madame Blavatsky… early
20th century New Age… pre-Shirley McLaine type shit) who was
named Guido Von List.
He undergoes eye surgery and is flat on his back for months on
end. He has a spiritual/religous experience that centers around
the Runes.
He cooks up this form of Aristosophist/Theosophist yoga (called
“runenyoga” naturally enough) which involves making the rune
shapes with your body and concentrating on the “essence” of the
rune (Fehu is gold, Sowilo is Sunlight etc.).
This sort of thing might actually be historically accurate (kids in
Iceland learn their letters by making the stave shapes, or did at
one point)… but making the shape, singing the rune-name etc.
is good “MAGICK”.
Which is the point… it’s ritual magick “Order of the Golden Dawn”
pre-Crowley Nordic witchcraft.
It’s not a martial art.
It was never MEANT to be.
People who find this sort of thing interesting should look for books
by Edred Thorsson, Guido von List and Kveldorf GUndarrsson.
But it’s ritual witchcraft (i.e. goes well with drugs, orgies, naked wiccans
etc.) and not martial arts…
As a Scandinavian, I can ensure everybody that nobody in this country practices that shit, nor has anyone ever heard of it…
Thanks for your honesty.
I’m curious to know what arts are practiced in Scandinvia? Are there traditional wrestling styles???
:5sonar:
In Finland at least there are no traditional wrestling styles anymore… I’m sure there used to be, but since people could get money by doing sports (aka Greco-Roman etc), that’s what they do now.