“Sig touts the P320 model product as “modular” and “adaptable,” with interchangeable grips, multiple sizes and calibers that can be converted between 9mm, .357SIG and .40SGW. “From calibers, to pistol size, to the grip fit best suited for the shooter, the P320 is the most adaptable pistol available today,” the company says in promotional materials.”
Finally, a modern striker fired pistol.
The P-09 duty is a better gun. I’m not sure how equipped SIG USA is to fulfill an order this big, let alone do it and not fuck up the QC.
I like the double action. I always seem to be the weird one…
[QUOTE=Raycetpfl;2915668]I like the double action. I always seem to be the weird one…[/QUOTE]You just enjoy watching the hammer fall.
[QUOTE=ghost55;2915666]The P-09 duty is a better gun. I’m not sure how equipped SIG USA is to fulfill an order this big, let alone do it and not fuck up the QC.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for you professional, informed opinion based on real-life experience.
OK, you can start posting links to articles that back up your opinion…
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U haz typo in ur op.
Interesting choice.
Anyone shot the P320?
[QUOTE=ChenPengFi;2915694]U haz typo in ur op.
Interesting choice.
Anyone shot the P320?[/QUOTE]
pardon my lysdexia…
[QUOTE=ChenPengFi;2915694]U haz typo in ur op.
Interesting choice.
Anyone shot the P320?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BKR;2915695]pardon my lysdexia…[/QUOTE]
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Thank you, kind sir.
Good luck in Texas, if you are going back to Austin, look up JNP and get to rolling…
[QUOTE=BKR;2915697]Thank you, kind sir.
Good luck in Texas, if you are going back to Austin, look up JNP and get to rolling…[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I am going back to Austin. I look forward to hanging/training with all of our ATX contingent, JNP not least on that list.
This is a great development. Any of the finalists would have been an improvement over the M9. The 320 “pistol” is literally just the guts of the pistol including FCG, so the Army can reconfigure as it sees fit. If I’m being nitpicky, I think that it’s bore axis is a bit high, but that is just SIG being SIG. My personal preferences aside, it was probably the best entrant when viewed in the frame of the actual RFP.
One thing I did notice is that there was nothing in the announcement about the ammunition that was submitted with it. The Army required ammo to be submitted with the firearm as part of a “system,” so theoretically the army would now switch to that ammo for the calibers they choose as well.
[QUOTE=Cassius;2915699]This is a great development. Any of the finalists would have been an improvement over the M9. The 320 “pistol” is literally just the guts of the pistol including FCG, so the Army can reconfigure as it sees fit. If I’m being nitpicky, I think that it’s bore axis is a bit high, but that is just SIG being SIG. My personal preferences aside, it was probably the best entrant when viewed in the frame of the actual RFP.
One thing I did notice is that there was nothing in the announcement about the ammunition that was submitted with it. The Army required ammo to be submitted with the firearm as part of a “system,” so theoretically the army would now switch to that ammo for the calibers they choose as well.[/QUOTE]
Its gonna be 9mm don’t ya think?
[QUOTE=Raycetpfl;2915705]Its gonna be 9mm don’t ya think?[/QUOTE]They bought a pistol whose main strength over other plastic fantastics is the fact that it’s easily converted to multiple calibers. It is likely that the majority of Soldiers will be using 9mm, but not everyone will. I’m more interested in the design of the ammunition that SIG submitted as part of its proposal. As in, did they submit regular ball ammo, JHP, a copper solid, a brass solid, is the bullet itself low or high weight/velocity for caliber, etc etc etc. That has yet to be announced, as far as I can tell.
[QUOTE=Cassius;2915710]They bought a pistol whose main strength over other plastic fantastics is the fact that it’s easily converted to multiple calibers. It is likely that the majority of Soldiers will be using 9mm, but not everyone will. I’m more interested in the design of the ammunition that SIG submitted as part of its proposal. As in, did they submit regular ball ammo, JHP, a copper solid, a brass solid, is the bullet itself low or high weight/velocity for caliber, etc etc etc. That has yet to be announced, as far as I can tell.[/QUOTE]
It would have to be some sort of ball ammo, right? Hague, Geneva and all that jazz.
[QUOTE=submessenger;2915716]It would have to be some sort of ball ammo, right? Hague, Geneva and all that jazz.[/QUOTE]Not necessarily, no.
We did not sign that portion of the Hague Accords, but mostly abide by it. Some units have been issued modern jhp ammo for years. At least as far back as 2015, the lawyers involved in the RFP have been publicly stating that the Army wants to move away from ball ammo for anything but training.
[QUOTE=Cassius;2915710]They bought a pistol whose main strength over other plastic fantastics is the fact that it’s easily converted to multiple calibers. It is likely that the majority of Soldiers will be using 9mm, but not everyone will. I’m more interested in the design of the ammunition that SIG submitted as part of its proposal. As in, did they submit regular ball ammo, JHP, a copper solid, a brass solid, is the bullet itself low or high weight/velocity for caliber, etc etc etc. That has yet to be announced, as far as I can tell.[/QUOTE]
I really hope .357sig was part of this.
[QUOTE=ghost55;2915719]I really hope .357sig was part of this.[/QUOTE]It’s possible but it is unlikely that it would be in contention for general issue. .357 SIG has impressive characteristics, but the relatively stout recoil is going to be uncomfortable for a lot of Soldiers, who already don’t train all that much with sidearms anyway. They just aren’t going to shoot it very well.
Then again the Army has done dumber things many times in the past, so who knows.
[QUOTE=Cassius;2915721]It’s possible but it is unlikely that it would be in contention for general issue. .357 SIG has impressive characteristics, but the relatively stout recoil is going to be uncomfortable for a lot of Soldiers, who already don’t train all that much with sidearms anyway. They just aren’t going to shoot it very well.
Then again the Army has done dumber things many times in the past, so who knows.[/QUOTE]
From a terminal ballistics standpoint it’s an excellent round. Becoming standard for the military would probably bring the price down significantly. As for recoil, well, cry me a river. This isn’t an EDC round for soccer moms. Being military means not being a pussy. Learn recoil management.
[QUOTE=ghost55;2915724]From a terminal ballistics standpoint it’s an excellent round. Becoming standard for the military would probably bring the price down significantly. As for recoil, well, cry me a river. This isn’t an EDC round for soccer moms. Being military means not being a pussy. Learn recoil management.[/QUOTE]It has great terminal ballistics for a pistol round (yet has terrible terminal ballistics compared to most centerfire rifles), but that doesn’t change reality. It just isn’t likely to be widely adopted by the Army. They (and the other services) don’t train with secondary weapons all that much, and the quantity of time, ammunition, and competent trainers it would take for the majority of Soldiers of all shapes and sizes to be comfortable with .357 SIG makes it cost prohibitive. Frankly, wasting that much time, money, and effort on a secondary weapon should be criminal. Hell, a pistol is the primary weapon for most of the FBI, and they are going back to 9mm after using 10mm and 40S&W for a bit.
Now for specialized units, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them grab the full adapter kits and carry whatever the flavor of the day is.
[QUOTE=Cassius;2915726]It has great terminal ballistics for a pistol round (yet has terrible terminal ballistics compared to most centerfire rifles), but that doesn’t change reality. It just isn’t likely to be widely adopted by the Army. They (and the other services) don’t train with secondary weapons all that much, and the quantity of time, ammunition, and competent trainers it would take for the majority of Soldiers of all shapes and sizes to be comfortable with .357 SIG makes it cost prohibitive. Frankly, wasting that much time, money, and effort on a secondary weapon should be criminal. Hell, a pistol is the primary weapon for most of the FBI, and they are going back to 9mm after using 10mm and 40S&W for a bit.
Now for specialized units, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them grab the full adapter kits and carry whatever the flavor of the day is.[/QUOTE]
I would think that pistol craft is like H2H for military, outside of maybe specialized units. It’s a last ditch weapon you use when you your long weapon is out of ammo, lost, or broken. The pooch is screwed already if you need a handgun.
Ghost, .357 Sig, you are into the strange stuff. It’s supposed to be a .357 magnum-like round, 1300 fps with a 124 grain bullet, the legendary .357 Mag man-stopper load.
That is some serious recoil management, I know because I shoot a .357 Mag quite a bit, in a heavy 4" GP100.
A .40 SW in a full sized Glock with the standard 180 gr load is a bit less than the above load, IME (that’s what I carry at work). I’d go for .40 for the military before .357 Sig.
9mm is fine if they can use good ammo (not ball).
I’m sure Al queada and ISIS conform to Geneva, yeah, undeclared war and all that, Geneve does not apply…