Score 2 for the good guys!

I heard the other night that these two new girls at my dojo used to go to the mcdojo down the street (West-Wind in Berkeley CA, has already been outed here on bullshido). So, today I asked them about it after class.

The girl that was there the longest, Michelle, didn’t even want to talk about it. I think she’s still embarrassed and burnt by it. The older woman, Jackie, let me know the low-down. Apparently, West-Wind in is a dying giant. From 5 schools in the chain, they are down to 2. Even their website is down. The owner of the school, Mr. Thompson, who used to never come around because he hates teaching, now has to show up all the time in order to teach because all of his old teachers up and left a while back after a tournament. Jackie didn’t have enough time to actually tell me what happened at said tournament, but according to her, hundreds of students up and walked out on West Wind because they finally had seen it for what it was–Utter crap.

Although Jackie had heard the “Ron Lee founded WW” line, that was all she knew (if you call West Wind and ask them, they will tell you that Ron Lee started the school and Bok Fu Do). This is in fact, not true, as there is no Ron Lee. Richard Lee, aka Richard Cuvelier (listed as Judan under Al Tracy on Tracy’s kenpo page), founded “modern Bok Fu Do”, and then black belts of his went off and started other schools. I’m still not sure how WW got into the hands of Thompson, but John Buckley, head instructor over at Lee’s East West school, assured me that Richard did not found WW.

Jackie left because no one would give her any answers. Students were discouraged from asking their instructors, and from talking to each other about these kinds of things. She would ask about lineage, and always get shut down. I doubt many of the black belt instructors at West Wind would even be able to give the proper history, that is, if they were willing to tell it. When Jackie first came to my school, she immediately asked the head instructor about his lineage and history, and was able to get straight-forward, non-deluded answers, which is something no student at WW is afforded. I think this was a major influence over her decision to join our school.

There is one instructor there, Sean, who is about 20 years old, and is working at WW every single day, from open to close. That’s 9am to 9pm, or later, because he has to clean up and everything. Jackie says they once promised him the school, once he gets to a certain level, of course, but it has yet to happen, and no one but this kid himself seems to think it will ever happen. He still isn’t ranked high enough to be driving the BMWs and Escalades like all the other instructors–he shows up every day in his Honda Civic. I have met him, and he seems pretty nice. I asked Jackie and Michelle about him, and they both started cooing and going “aww he’s so sweet!”. I would really like to believe that he is a good enough person, and that he should get out before the ticking West Wind time bomb blows up in his face. The trouble is that he has been there since he was 6 years old, and who would be willing to turn on something they have been so dedicated to for so long? When you’re so ingrained in something, it can be difficult to recognize the flaws.

Before Jackie left, she had a talk with Sean. She told him to get out of the WW school. She told him to go to school (he went to community college with my neighbor for a short while, but I don’t think he ever got very far in that), and to come back to martial arts when he has a degree, and something to fall back on when West Wind either turns on him, or just plain implodes (of course it’s possible to train and go to school, but I believe she meant the all-day everyday thing). He hemmed and hawed and explained that martial arts were his life, and that he couldn’t leave it. I think he believes he will be inheriting the school as promised. But Jackie insisted they were using him, and from what I have observed, it certainly seems that way.

I really don’t know why, but I have taking a liking to him. I see him all the time, and I talked with him once. Some creepy guy was following me up the street and I ducked into the school until he left, instead of going straight into my apartment building (I live on the same block as west wind). Sean was, as usual, the only one there, and he was friendly with me. I come off as a total weirdo when people first meet me, but he still smiles and waves at me when I walk past.

I want to help him get out. I just don’t know how. At least everyone else is slowly figuring it out…

On an even sadder note, some man has been walking up and down the block for over an hour now, yelling at every west wind person who walks out. The man was crying, and explaining that he hasn’t seen his son since he was five years old, and that his son was in there just then, during a class, and the instructors wouldn’t let him in to see his son. I don’t know if the man was just crazy, but he seemed pretty convinced.

That’s quite a story. So, was the WW loss of popularity due to poor tournament performance?

i wonder what would happen to the impressive facilities they have over there?

it would be too funny if they got brought out by a muay thai or bjj school. id shit my pants laughing. i feel sorry for the civic dude though.

No wars without casualties.

Edit: it’s not so hard to believe that WW would indulge in child abduction actually. Everything else about that place is shifty. It’s by far the creepiest McDojo I’ve ever heard of on Bullshido, just from people’s descriptions alone. Some Bullshido is funny, some is sad, some is pathetic or dangerous, this one is just fuckin… creepy.

i don’t know about child abduction, but…

A woman named “Barbara” claims to be his mother, and posts all over the internet about how great he is, and how great WW was for him as a wee tyke. She has posted on an instructor’s personal webpage (or else he just copy and pasted her gushing approval from somewhere else), and posts yearly on the Berkeley Parents’ Network (a forum for parents in berkeley to discuss everything from how to deal with your kids to recommended mechanics, grocery stores, and of course, MA schools).

I’m not saying she’s not real… I’m just saying… she’s up to no good…

Edit:

here are the BNP reviews for West Wind. Barbara doesn’t always sign her name, but I’m pretty sure it’s her: http://parents.berkeley.edu/recommend/classes/martial-arts.html#westwind

Edit again because I can’t read:

I’m talking about sean, the instructor’s mother.

From what I overheard the crying man talking about, the boy’s mom won’t let him see his dad, and the instructor (who was teaching class in a fucking NECK TIE) said something, to which the crying man responded “it’s between her and me”. I don’t think WW kidnapped this man’s son. I thought you were referring to the instructor, who has been there since he was 6 years old, and ‘can’t leave’.

Uhhh… McDojo and child abduction are two different things. Would you expect McDonald’s to kill Jack (from Jack in the Box :p)? It’s a shoddy business, but I don’t think they’d do anything that big.

But, maybe the tournament was held on an island, and the father wanted to find the kid, so he went to the tournament, killed the leader of the group, and now the schools are falling apart?

PL

Dude, maybe it’s how they induct new members into their “inner circle”. They have kids in, shave their heads and castrate them to become warrior monks, and release them several years later as completely different people whom their own parents don’t recognise because they can’t tell one bullshido mcdojo warrior-monk ninja death-touch killer from another.

It’s a bagua school?

Where did you get bagua from that?

If you’re not a eunic your testicles prevent you from circle walking.

Look, you’re all missing the important point here. Beka’s met a cute guy, even if he is a WW instructor.

“On an even sadder note, some man has been walking up and down the block for over an hour now, yelling at every west wind person who walks out. The man was crying, and explaining that he hasn’t seen his son since he was five years old, and that his son was in there just then, during a class, and the instructors wouldn’t let him in to see his son. I don’t know if the man was just crazy, but he seemed pretty convinced.”

For once I don’t blame WW for this situation. This may be a disputed custody matter where the wife probably blocked dad from even having visitation with his son. At this point if dad doesn’t have a court order allowing him to see his child WW would be showing very poor judgment in allowing him access to his child since he could always run off with junior. (this is called a family abduction) So the problem here is mom, and not WW.

AH! NO! HE’S NOT CUTE! I SWEAR! NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT CUTE!

I think I’m taller than him. At least I was in my boots. I’m probably 5’8’’ in those shoes. He wears high topped basketball shoes barf.

And my boyfriend could clobber him if this kid ever got the wrong idea.

now this guy–> :wrestler4 is hot.

Gotcha. :laughing6

yes :walk:

Even if the guy was hypothetically sexually attractive or something I don’t think anyone would want to hang out with someone so steeped in and so accepting of the WW line of bullshit. It would be like hanging out with Ned Flanders or something.

you have a duty to convince him to quit his bullshido school by any means neccesary … sex included … =)

anything done in the name of curing bullshido cultism is not a sin …

Uhhhhhhhhh… I’ll think about that… :lovestory

But even so, I’m not afraid to bat my purdy little eyes and coo a bit. However, I have thought about this, and I wouldn’t want it to backfire. Say I did flirt a bit, and then he fell for me. I’m not about to reciprocate, so, what if, in his pain, he went back to WW and then took vengeance upon me!?!??!! HUH!?!??! T3H D34DLY B0K FU IS TOO STRONG FOR MY N1NJ4 ESPIONAGE!

The things a gal has to deal with in this modern age sigh

You are aware of how female ninjas operated aren’t you?

If not, watch more Ninja Scroll.

…Tentacles?

PL