Yeah…that’s why I wanted to cry.
It’s inanities like this that make the art that I’ve studied for over 10 years nothing more than a joke.
Terrible.
Hatred is the coward’s revenge for being intimidated. - Geroge Bernard Shaw
Wow
A 3,5-year old blackbelt that’s crazy. A 3,5-year old can simply not have the skill to be a martial arts master. I know in modern martial arts you can earn a black belt in 2-3 years.But i don’t think that this little child started martial arts training at 1,5. Anyway that shows how silly some modern martial arts styles are.In an old classic style you need 5-10 years to become a black belt.
I think these modern styles are no real martial arts styles anyway.
So i’d like to ask you can you call these “modern styles” “real martial arts styles”?
“A 3,5-year old blackbelt that’s crazy. A 3,5-year old can simply not have the skill to be a martial arts master.”
A black belt in TKD in Korea does NOT generally denote a master, in fact just the opposite. A black belt means a person has learned the basic beginning material and is ready to really learn about TKD. I know many schools say “black belt is just the beginning” but these guys really practice that.
I know these kids are young, but are than any younger than some of the gymnasts or chinese acrobats we have seen. Wastrel is right, in Korea TKD is often daycare. It is totally common for kids to start at the age of five and recieve black belts after 18 months of several hours of training, almost every single day.
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Your right they aren’t any younger then some gymnasts, and acrobats. It just shows how TKD is more like gymnastics, and not a martial art. Your telling me this kid started training when he was two? And the other at four? Oh come on thats just pure 100% USRDA bullshido.
I would rather fight most martial artists over most gymnasts any day. To be a gymnast you have to be a pure athlete, to be a martial artist you don’t. Besides I feel there is a big distinction between a martial artist and a fighter.
I’m not defending these kids, or their school. But I won’t condem them without having enough information to judge them.
I would like to know what a black belt actually means to them. I would like to see some clips of the kids in action. I would like to know how long they have been training, what that training consisted of, and how often they were doing it.
Like I said, a black belt in Korea often just means that the students have learned the basic stances and movements sufficently enough to move on the more advanced material.
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THEYRE THREE AND FIVE!!
“If martial arts are about sex, the kata must be masturbation.” Fighty McGee
“I would rather fight most martial artists over most gymnasts any day.”
I agree.
And this, by the way, is really sad.
I remain, Hapko3
I would rather fight most martial artists over most gymnasts any day.
You got to be kidding me. Look the movie Gymkata was fiction not fact. Yes, gymnasts are in great shape, but what do you think they are just going to do? Flip around and and beat your ass like the movie? Gymnasts aren’t fighters or martial artists. They are athletes who are in great shape, but doesn’t mean they could take you out. Unless your not that confidant in your skills.
I am confident in my skills. But most martial artists are overconfient in theirs.
If you are a finely tuned athlete, you don’t generally need a lot of skill or technique to get by.
My sister was a gymnast for 10 years until she got too tall. What she did next was amateur wrestling. She went to State her first year. Despite being lacking in wrestling technique, she was able to dominate opponents, male and female, through shear physicality.
Eventually she ran into someone who had both the skill and athletic ability to take her out, but like I said that was at the State finals level. The girl that beat her eventually got a shot on the US national team.
And you’re right, Gymkata sucks ass.
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“If you are a finely tuned athlete, you don’t generally need a lot of skill or technique to get by.”
lol
“If martial arts are about sex, the kata must be masturbation.” Fighty McGee
I just realized this school is India.
Not that I want to piss off a whole subcontinent, but that sends up a read flag for me. Of what I have seen, martial arts like karate and TKD are even worse in India than they are here in America.
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Edited by - Punisher on June 15 2003 18:09:42
Youve been to India? how is it that because its in India its a red flag, but THREE YEAR OLD BLACKBELTS youre cool?
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No, I haven’t been to India. But everytime I see East Indian “karate masters” on TV they are horrible. I have also read about frauds posing as mystical yogis and such. A newer form of this is the mystical martial arts teacher that goes from town to town defrauding people for money.
And I don’t necessarily think a 3 year old black belt is cool. But if the black belt only means this kid knows the basics, it could be possible for him to earn one, especially if it is at some boarding school like environment.
I don’t know anything about this kids or their school, so I won’t judge them. Show me a video of the kid falling all over himself and looking horrible and I’ll agree with you. Show me a tape of him doing a flawless jump spinning hook kick or some other requirement of his school and I’ll say he deserves it. But right now, I don’t know.
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Do you really think this guy knows the basics at THREE? I doubt that. Also, a blackbelt doesnt mean you know the basics. maybe it does in some ridiculusly complicated traditional system, but in tkd many know the basics by YELLOW belt. At other schools its blue or so, but by black, if you dont just suck ass, you should be abouve a basic level.
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You have taken TKD, I have not, so I’ll take your word for it. But I have read that the 18-24 month time frame to black belt in TKD is because that the black belt means you know the basics, especially in Korea. I have also read it is common place for children to start training at 5 or younger, and attend schools where the spend multiple hours training, almost everyday.
It is hard for me to believe that a three year old could have the necessary skills, no matter what they are, to qualify as a black belt, but I do not think it is impossible. I have seen gymnasts and acrobats at similar ages do things I would have thought impossible if I had not personally seen them.
Now I orginally thought this school was in Korea. I was mistaken. It is in India. Martial arts as we know them today are late coming to India, and from what I can tell the level of martial arts is analogous to the US in the 1970’s. Not very impressive.
Personally I don’t know which possibility I find more distasteful, a McDojo giving a 3 year old a worthless blackbelt for PR purposes, or the prospect of some idiotic parent basically giving there kid away to some instructor and forcing him to go through the signifcant amount of training I feel a 3 year old would have to go through to truley earn it.
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Theres really not much too tkd. Its like 5 techniques, variations of them, the footwork and then youre on your own.
“If martial arts are about sex, the kata must be masturbation.” Fighty McGee
Actually, if I could help a little here to solve this argument…
In TKD, a black belt does not mean that you know the basics or anything like that. Osiris is right there.
All a black belt signifies in TKD is a mastery over all the basic techniques TO THAT PERSON’S FULLEST POTENTIAL. Nothing more and nothing less than that.
I’ve seen students that are mentally challenged awarded black belts simply by putting the effort forward.
It’s not just a test of skill. It’s a test of fortitude.
As for that applying to the point of this post?? Well, I don’t know about that.
Hatred is the coward’s revenge for being intimidated. - Geroge Bernard Shaw
Edited by - Rising Phoenix on June 16 2003 00:59:44
When I said “know the basics”, I meant relaitve mastery of them.
I never meant to imply just because someone knows what front, side, and round kicks are means they are give him black belt, or that I could walk into a TKD school demostrate a few techniqeus and demand a black belt.
Look at the context of what I said. 18 months, training 4 hours a day will get you pretty damn good at the basics.
My intrepretion of what I read was until you reach that level you aren’t really doing TKD, you are preparing to do TKD. Once you can do all the stances, blocks, kicks, punches, and other basic techniques at the required level, you are ready to move on to your real training.
It’s like taking Pre-Algebra or Pre-Calculus. Before black belt just lays the foundation.
As I said, I’ve read this is method common in Korea. It wouldn’t fly here in America. Imagine going into school to find out that your first 100 hrs of training were going to be devoted to a single stance or block. People would get bored and run out. So to keep people interested schools here often sacrifice quality for quanity.
They move on to a new kata every two months or teach so many techniques that no one can really be expected to learn with any skill, especially only training 2 hours a week.
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Edited by - Punisher on June 16 2003 01:25:00
In Korea Punisher, it’s far more likely that the belts will be awarded on the basis of age or some other measure of seniority.
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