Also btw I want to be clear, I don’t think I know any better than any of the black belts that post videos, I am just exploring things.
[QUOTE=goodlun;3060936]Alright though, I know you have an internet presence and that your on a lot of the same BJJ blogs I am on and you see a lot of the same videos I see.
I know your a very experienced and are fairly open minded and aren’t likely to just Poo poo something.
and I know I am not, I want to be clear I know, I know, I know, I am on the top of Mt Stupid, and I know even worrying about this sort of stuff other than just focusing in on getting better is mental masturbation.
But I can’t help but think their has to be videos you see where you go, yep that guy is a black belt he is skilled but that guy, that guy only has white and blue belts in his academy, and that technique he is teaching hasn’t been properly vetted.[/QUOTE]
Again, it comes down to how skilled people are within their models.
And then you have to assess how well those models will play in environments based on what competing models tend to be present there, and are permissible to be there.
To paraphrase Helio Gracie, you only need one Osvaldo Fadda to know that Jiu-Jitsu is not the sole province of the Gracies.
Fadda took a technique that the Gracie schools had been calling favela junk and defeated the Gracie’s in tournament.
The truth is, you can make someone a world champion off a take down, or a razor arm bar, or, or, or…
And to answer your question, I love to watch Judo Olympic Champions, Wrestling Champions, Jiu-Jitsu World Champions, Submission grappling champions, and MMA champions break down their games.
I also learn things everyday from watching coaches who have coaches basics to kids for decades.
I learn things from watching tournament or MMA highlights.
I learn a shit ton from watching biomechanical studies from track and field, and other sports, and thinking about how they relate to my sports / activities.
Back to JNP’s comment about fundamentals, I never, never ever get tired of watching, or drilling the simplest basics.
And, decades later, I am still trying to figure out how the basics really work, and what is the best way to do them.
[QUOTE=Krampus;3060942]Again, it comes down to how skilled people are within their models.
And then you have to assess how well those models will play in environments based on what competing models tend to be present there, and are permissible to be there.
To paraphrase Helio Gracie, you only need one Osvaldo Fadda to know that Jiu-Jitsu is not the sole province of the Gracies.
Fadda took a technique that the Gracie schools had been calling favela junk and defeated the Gracie’s in tournament.
The truth is, you can make someone a world champion off a take down, or a razor arm bar, or, or, or…
And to answer your question, I love to watch Judo Olympic Champions, Wrestling Champions, Jiu-Jitsu World Champions, Submission grappling champions, and MMA champions break down their games.
I also learn things everyday from watching coaches who have coaches basics to kids for decades.
I learn things from watching tournament or MMA highlights.
Back to JNP’s comment about fundamentals, I never, never ever get tired of watching, or drilling the simplest basics.
And, decades later, I am still trying to figure out how the basics really work, and what is the best way to do them.[/QUOTE]
I would often get to Judo practice early and my young students would show up to find me doing the most basic of solo exercises.
Thank you for humoring me with a response, I greatly appreciate it.
I hope you don’t mind me comparing what you have said to others
[QUOTE=Krampus;3060942]
Again, it comes down to how skilled people are within their models.
[/QUOTE]
If I am following you right
I have certainly have heard of this concept, Ryan Hall, Danaher, and Lister have all basically expressed this idea.
Especially with regards to leg locks, basically force people into a game where your skilled and they are not.
In fact I would say that is what BJJ is about right, take the fight to the ground and be the shark
[QUOTE=Krampus;3060942]
Back to JNP’s comment about fundamentals, I never, never ever get tired of watching, or drilling the simplest basics.
And, decades later, I am still trying to figure out how the basics really work, and what is the best way to do them.[/QUOTE]
Indeed the fundamentals seem to be a very key place to focus for sure.
One only really need to look at Kron Gracies back to basics approach run.
So getting back to videos I am going to assume unless you have a big name, putting out a fundamentals video isn’t going to get a lot of clicks.
But if you put out a “They won’t see this coming choke” one is likely to.
[QUOTE=goodlun;3060947]Thank you for humoring me with a response, I greatly appreciate it.
I hope you don’t mind me comparing what you have said to others
[/QUOTE]
Of course not.
I tell all my university and grapple-fu students, “don’t believe anything I say, unless you can prove it for yourself”.
And, I much prefer people I teach in those environments to disagree with me, and think for themselves, than the contrary.
[QUOTE=goodlun;3060947]
So getting back to videos I am going to assume unless you have a big name, putting out a fundamentals video isn’t going to get a lot of clicks.
But if you put out a “They won’t see this coming choke” one is likely to.[/QUOTE]
Very true, sadly.
People are always fascinated with flash moves, hot moves, etc., etc.
A good example in Judo is the phenomenon that people tend to see and watch for the finish.
Even the names of the throws are usually the names of the finish.
Meanwhile, all the magic was the posture, grips, footwork, off balance, and entry that resulted in the finish becoming available…
[QUOTE=Krampus;3060954]grips[/QUOTE]
Man I will tell ya, grips blow my mind, the margin of success or failure can be down to as something so sublime as a grip and that grip being at just the right freaking place.
I know this isn’t even always the case but when it is, it is.
Of course Grips can set the pace of a match, who has tempo, and what defensive and offensive options their are, who will win in a race for technique an attack or defense.
Grips are fucking crazy is all I am saying.
[QUOTE=goodlun;3060959]Man I will tell ya, grips blow my mind, the margin of success or failure can be down to as something so sublime as a grip and that grip being at just the right freaking place.
I know this isn’t even always the case but when it is, it is.
Of course Grips can set the pace of a match, who has tempo, and what defensive and offensive options their are, who will win in a race for technique an attack or defense.
Grips are fucking crazy is all I am saying.[/QUOTE]
When I do newaza, gi or no gi, I barely grip at all.
And even when I do standing Judo, my grips are very light.
[QUOTE=Krampus;3060961]When I do newaza, gi or no gi, I barely grip at all.
And even when I do standing Judo, my grips are very light.[/QUOTE]
Huh, very interesting, saw Mat Thompson I think it was talking about some old school passing where you don’t grip at all.
So what are you doing instead, is it just framing?
[QUOTE=goodlun;3060963]Huh, very interesting, saw Mat Thompson I think it was talking about some old school passing where you don’t grip at all.
So what are you doing instead, is it just framing?[/QUOTE]
Regarding newaza,
I do a lot of framing, closed swimmer hands monkey paws, and when I am top, letting gravity do the work.
I often will make use of the other person’s grips.
Every once in a while I will take a light grip, ready to totally abandon it,
or in very defined situations where my hands are very protected take an “I mean it grip”, but I do so sparingly.
If you go back and watch the KG videos I shared with you,
you will likely see in the video of me 25 years ago, compared to the video of me now, doing the almost identical series,
that I don’t bother with gripping anymore in that series.
I just let the weight and the other person do the work, and monkey paw a bit or keep relaxed arms and hands.
[QUOTE=goodlun;3059611]Alright, so I keep seeing “slick moves” on Facebook and they always get my spider sense tingling as to well if that is so cool why don’t we see it.
I would like this thread dedicated to more than the one I am sharing in this post, cause these things come up a lot.
So if you can a refute my premise as being false cool.
However if you can break down why these moves don’t work under world class pressure even better.
Don’t get me wrong these all seem like they would work against someone that you can already beat 1,000,000 other ways.
That being said lets all know I am on top of Mount Stupid when it comes to this shit.
Anyways up 1st check out this slick Toe Hold from side control to a frame that a lot of elite level competiors use(though I have also seen it chided)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4R_RMaXOoA&feature=youtu.be
Much thanks for your incites.[/QUOTE]
Yea, Thats a freebie when they block the mount that way. Its a great move.
[QUOTE=Krampus;3060967]Regarding newaza,
I do a lot of framing, closed swimmer hands monkey paws, and when I am top, letting gravity do the work.
I often will make use of the other person’s grips.
Every once in a while I will take a light grip, ready to totally abandon it,
or in very defined situations where my hands are very protected take an “I mean it grip”, but I do so sparingly.
If you go back and watch the KG videos I shared with you,
you will likely see in the video of me 25 years ago, compared to the video of me now, doing the almost identical series,
that I don’t bother with gripping anymore in that series.
I just let the weight and the other person do the work, and monkey paw a bit or keep relaxed arms and hands.[/QUOTE]
See I would have ignorantly called the monkey paws grips, but I can see what you mean.
[QUOTE=goodlun;3060991]See I would have ignorantly called the monkey paws grips, but I can see what you mean.[/QUOTE]
When I grip, I engage my forearm muscles, and that burns calories, and generates lactic acid.
When I monkey paw, I keep my forearms relaxed, and my arms move fluidly, in a relaxed manner.
Relaxed limbs creates an illusion that I have quicker reaction times than I actually do,
especially if my opponent is exerting his or her own limbs.
I gladly ride and sometimes add to, rather than resist, whatever newtonian vectors of force my opponent provides.
The more energy my opponent puts into the system, the less work I have to do,
unless the force they provide completely blasts through me,
and I cannot subtly redirect it.
This is the principle of giving your opponent what they want but serving it to them in a manner that works against their original intention and own interest.
[QUOTE=goodlun;3060991]See I would have ignorantly called the monkey paws grips, but I can see what you mean.[/QUOTE]
When I grip, I engage my forearm muscles, and that burns calories, and generates lactic acid.
When I monkey paw, I keep my forearms relaxed, and my arms move fluidly, in a relaxed manner.
Relaxed limbs creates an illusion that I have quicker reaction times than I actually do,
especially if my opponent is exerting his or her own limbs.
I gladly ride and sometimes add to rather than resist whatever newtonian vectors of force my opponent provides.
The more energy my opponent puts into the system, the less work I have to do,
unless the force they provide completely blasts through me,
and I cannot subtly redirect it.
This is the principle of giving your opponent what they want but serving it to them in a manner that works against their original intention and own interest.
In Japanese, this is an example application of “Ju”, or yielding, and Kano wrote about the principle of Ju at length.
[QUOTE=goodlun;3061000]I am 100% sure you have seen these before
[video=youtube_share;2YS-WF6nlA0]https://youtu.be/2YS-WF6nlA0[/video]
or the full thing:
//youtu.be/Vhxfk5GW9BY
[/QUOTE]
Everyone watches Mifune Sensei, and he did give an amazing display of Judo.
But, watch his ukes just as closely.
[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3061003]Everyone watches Mifune Sensei, and he did give an amazing display of Judo.
But, watch his ukes just as closely.[/QUOTE]
And of course the legendary animosity between Mifune and Kimura is an interesting tale.
Oh so speaking of the Monkey paw thing, I can now see how Gordon Ryan is applying it in this match:
[video=youtube_share;b75H_EwSD_o]https://youtu.be/b75H_EwSD_o[/video]
[QUOTE=goodlun;3060947]Thank you for humoring me with a response, I greatly appreciate it.
I hope you don’t mind me comparing what you have said to others
If I am following you right
I have certainly have heard of this concept, Ryan Hall, Danaher, and Lister have all basically expressed this idea.
Especially with regards to leg locks, basically force people into a game where your skilled and they are not.
In fact I would say that is what BJJ is about right, take the fight to the ground and be the shark
Indeed the fundamentals seem to be a very key place to focus for sure.
One only really need to look at Kron Gracies back to basics approach run.
So getting back to videos I am going to assume unless you have a big name, putting out a fundamentals video isn’t going to get a lot of clicks.
But if you put out a “They won’t see this coming choke” one is likely to.[/QUOTE]
A concept from team sports is how teams match up in various positions.
So a big part of team sports, is maximizing your match up vs the other team.
For example, in football, at HS level, coaches will test say, a cornerback vs a particular WR, both pass and run.
If one corner is stronger than the other, they will not go against him nearly as much.
Works same in individual sports.
If your say at Olympic level in Judo you have different game plans for all the different players those game plans Also may vary depending on where in the draw you are matched up with them.
So you have to have a coach to understand the strengths and weaknesses of all your potential opponents.
Depending on how and how you match up you might have really only one chance to beat particular opponent in a match and you will have trained for that particular moment for that particular person. Of course spontaneous stuff happens but at the highest levels not so much.
Individual player will literally hire other judoka to pretend to be their potential opponents same size weight reach Etc, and they will drill and RanDori against those hired uke.
[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3061005]And of course the legendary animosity between Mifune and Kimura is an interesting tale.[/QUOTE]
Wait what?
[QUOTE=goodlun;3061014]Wait what?[/QUOTE]
Kimura’s wife got TB.
To raise money for Western medical treatments, Kimura took up professional fighting, and also pro-wrestling.
Mifune thought this was unbecoming and had Kimura kicked out of the Kodokan.
Kimura was still very popular, and there was some backlash.
For instance, none of Mifune’s katas got included in the official Kodokan curriculum of katas.
Kimura was eventually reinstated as a coach and professor.
Mifune, in his final film, is shown delicately trimming hedges with precise shears.
When Kimura was filmed, he made a point to be filmed trimming his hedges with a chainsaw.
The Japanese are both subtle and unsubtle at the same time, aren’t they…
[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3060954]Of course not.
I tell all my university and grapple-fu students, “don’t believe anything I say, unless you can prove it for yourself”.
And, I much prefer people I teach in those environments to disagree with me, and think for themselves, than the contrary.
Very true, sadly.
People are always fascinated with flash moves, hot moves, etc., etc.
A good example in Judo is the phenomenon that people tend to see and watch for the finish.
Even the names of the throws are usually the names of the finish.
Meanwhile, all the magic was the posture, grips, footwork, off balance, and entry that resulted in the finish becoming available…[/QUOTE]
Yeah, watching a good match with knowledgeable judoka you get a lot of reactions the stuff outside of a big throw.
It’s easier to see stuff from afar since when you’re involved in to match personally.