Nunchaku Never Used as a Weapon?

I recently purchased a book called Classical Weaponary of Japan Special Weapons and Tactics of the Martial Arts, written by Serge Mol.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=ygx1xApKqB&isbn=4770029411&itm=1

This book details literally hundreds of ancient Japanese weapons, not only talking about what the weapons were, but who used them, and how.

One thing I was suprised to find, actually NOT find, was any mention at all of nunchaku. The book is very complete and has an extensive section devoted to “chain” weapons. I was initally puzzled by this, and started to wonder why this would be.

At first I thought, well maybe it was because the author considered the nunchaku an “Okinawan farm tool” and not a Japanese weapon. I quickly decided against this after reading the section about kamas, were the author acknowledges Okniawan agricultural influence and goes on how to explain how these farm tools were used as weapons and how eventually kamas were designed and used specifically for the purpose of combat. I came to the conclusion that this author deemed that the nunchaku wasn’t worthy to be discussed in a serious book about weaponary, even to dispell the popular myths that surrond it.

As a follow-up I did some quick research on the internet and found the following article. I don’t know who this guy is, but this article makes a lot more sense to me than the “Okinawan-Peasents-Used-Nunchaku-To-Fight-Samurai-Story”.

http://members.tripod.com/~Nunchaku/about_e.htm

The real history of the nunchaku
Part One


In a popular myth which has been repeated in book after book, we have been told that the nunchaku was originally a rice flail which was converted by Japanese farmers into a deadly weapon to fight against samurai. This myth, however, is incorrect on all four points: The nunchaku was not a Japanese weapon, it was never used as a rice flail, it was not developed by villagers and it was never used against samurai.

The nunchaku, as we know it, comes from Okinawa (Uchina), today a part of Japan. Okinawa lies almost midway between Taiwan and the Japanese “mainland”, and is the largest island in the Ryukyu (literally “rope”) archipelago, a 650 mile long chain of small islands between southern Japan and Taiwan.

Okinawa today is part of Japan, but the Okinawans are not Japanese and have their own culture and language, although the latter is gradually being replaced by Japanese. The Japanese language does not even contain a word for the nunchaku. When one needs to write “nunchaku” in Japanese he may do it in one of two ways: He may use katakana, the syllabic/phonetic alphabet used in the Japanese language to write foreign and loan words, writing the syllables “nu-n-cha-ku”. Or, instead, he may use the Chinese characters for “two member stick” (or “double part baton”), which is pronounced “shuang jie gun” in Chinese, “nun cha kun” in Okinawan and “so setsu kon” in Japanese.

Many think that the nunchaku has descended from the rice flail (utzu), but this is erroneous. To understand why, imagine that you want to use the nunchaku to thresh rice stalks laying on the ground. In order for the swinging arm of the nunchaku to land flatly, you would have to bend over with your head close to your knees or kneel on the ground. In the former position, every time you swing up the flailing arm you might be struck on your back, while the latter position is not really functional as anyone who has had to kneel on rice can tell you. The actual Okinawan flail, like the European flail, has a handle as long as a man’s height to make the threshing process easier. So the belief that the nunchaku descends from the Okinawan rice flail is definitely baseless. Another reason for this error, besides the obvious resemblance of the flail to the nunchaku, may be the existence of the a combat flail (uchibo), which really is a modified rice flail, among the weapons of Okinawan kobujutsu.

The only thing I can say about nunchaku is that it’s written in katakana in Japanese, which is for borrowed words. There are no kanji for it and even the pronunciation in Japanese is different “nAnchaku.”

The link to the article I listed has a picture showing the kanji. For some reason I can’t post it here, but if you click the link you should see it.

It gives the pronuciation in katakana.

I need to read shit before I post. The dude’s article talks about this stuff right here.

Okinawa today is part of Japan, but the Okinawans are not Japanese and have their own culture and language, although the latter is gradually being replaced by Japanese. The Japanese language does not even contain a word for the nunchaku. When one needs to write “nunchaku” in Japanese he may do it in one of two ways: He may use katakana, the syllabic/phonetic alphabet used in the Japanese language to write foreign and loan words, writing the syllables “nu-n-cha-ku”. Or, instead, he may use the Chinese characters for “two member stick” (or “double part baton”), which is pronounced “shuang jie gun” in Chinese, “nun cha kun” in Okinawan and “so setsu kon” in Japanese.

That article explains a huge amount. I used to be obsessed with nunchaku, but recently I’ve been looking for something that actually works. Now the only way I practice with them is in Soul Calibur.

The nunchau was a weapon that was TRIED to be PASSED off as a “farm tool”.
Samurai were not the stupid.
As for the qty of kata… I don’t think THAT should be used to lend weight to ANYTHING.
Fact is, the “nunchaku” type weapon exsists in almost every society in one way or another.

Originally posted by ronin69
The nunchau was a weapon that was TRIED to be PASSED off as a “farm tool”.
Samurai were not the stupid.
As for the qty of kata… I don’t think THAT should be used to lend weight to ANYTHING.
Fact is, the “nunchaku” type weapon exsists in almost every society in one way or another.

I agree, the europeans had their versions in the flails they had. Not exactly the same, of course, but based on similar principles.

Fact is, the “nunchaku” type weapon exsists in almost every society in one way or another.

No one is arguing the existence of nunchaku like weapons. The book I have is full of them. But no nunchaku. As a flail weapon, nunchaku are as about as lame as you get. Most other flail/chain weapons have longer chains and heavy weighted ends.

I don’t know about that, a rabid woodchuck attacked to a chain or rope, sounds pretty vicious to me…

Excellent report.

While the nunchaku is probably my favorite weapon to use, the fact of the matter is that if your opponent has anything longer than a knife pointed at you, you’re pretty screwed.

Well… you have a chance if the guy’s wielding a single club MAYBE, but otherwise the odds are stacked heavily against you.

That’s not to say you can’t learn anything from using Nunchaku though…

One thing that I’ve developed from using the nunchaku so much is hand sensitivity. I can’t count the number of times I’ve been holding too much stuff in my hands, feel some of it start to slip, and catch it before any damage occurs…

Plus twirling Nunchaku around can make you look pretty damn cool IMO…

Until you drop them or hit yourself…

for someone who claims to be telling the “truth” about nunchukus, he sure goes out on a limb when he says that ninjas were forced to kill with chopsticks.

Has anyone actually TRIED hitting anyone/anything with nunchakus? I have… the striking half bounces right back and bangs your knuckles. Whoever designed this piece of shit is a horrible engineer.

If anyone has ever used nunchakus successfully in a real situation, I’d like to hear about it… until then, I’m consigned to believing it’s impossible.

That article seems kinda suspect. The chopstick thing and the part regarding defeating several knife fighters sounds off.

I love it when people cry about their nunchaku bouncing back and hitting them. I find it absolutely hilarious that they have such crappy control. You have to practice hitting stuff if you’re going to learn how to control the wood after strikes.

Originally posted by Mouthfire
[B]Has anyone actually TRIED hitting anyone/anything with nunchakus? I have… the striking half bounces right back and bangs your knuckles. Whoever designed this piece of shit is a horrible engineer.

If anyone has ever used nunchakus successfully in a real situation, I’d like to hear about it… until then, I’m consigned to believing it’s impossible. [/B]

One thing you have to remember when using the nunchaku is that follow through is a MUST. You have to continue swinging along the path you’ve chosen and with some power or else it will bounce off.

Also, I shouldn’t have to tell anyone that the nunchaku is not for use against solid objects head-on. You use the end of the nunchaku and that’s where it does its damage. It’s a stinging weapon.

Also, good luck finding people who’ve used nunchaku in a real-life situation as THEY’RE ILLEGAL TO CARRY ON THE STREET. At least in California they are.

I’ve weapon sparred with them (Actionflex), but thus far to no avail. Perhaps I’ll have better luck when I get less bulky gloves.

Nunchaku are good because surrounding yourself in a hailstorm of flailing wood makes you look incredibly cool.

That article seems kinda suspect. The chopstick thing and the part regarding defeating several knife fighters sounds off.

First of all I don’t think the guy was being literal with the chop stick thing. My book on japanese weapons has a section on small hand-held weapons called “tenouchi”. Some of these are small wooden sticks not much bigger than chop sticks.

Secondly my dojo also spars with action flex weapons. We use chucks, staff, knives, and sticks. The only one a person with chucks has a really chance against is the knife. We’ve also found that flailing with the chucks isn’t very useful, and have better luck using them like a little club and/or twisting and vicing with the chain/rope.

As for the multiple opponent thing, the guy said “a few”, not “several”. That implied to me he meant two or three guys tops.

Clubbing/Vicing seems to work best when you want to use the nunchaku defensively, but IMO the Nunchaku doesn’t work as a defensive weapon very well.

I say, if you’re going to pick up the nunchaku, you’re going to be swinging it around or else you would’ve picked a different weapon.

Like i said, the Nunchaku is my favorite weapon, but if I had to go into battle, I’d pick a staff or a sword.

BTW: We train at the same dojo, Punisher.

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