Monkeys sleeping under a tree

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I myself avoided posting on this thread for along time.

But, over time, I increasingly thought the optics of this specific thread were ending up like Breibart or Occupy Democrats

in the rumor push by the staff member running it, with a somewhat unilateral voice.

This is a thread prone to be unbalanced in journalistic voice by title,

by the fact the site owner started it with a certain disposition,

and due to the personal politics of the staff member moderating it and most frequently posting to it.

I would posit that Bullshido works better when there are opposing sides in an argument battling it out than when a thread gets too unilaterally unbalanced.

If unilateral unbalance has to happen, whether virtuously or not,

than the burdens of accuracy regarding the posts of the staff members of the site become higher,

or Bullshido ends up replicating a Breibart or Occupy Democrats final product.

Raising points for discussion are virtuous.

But one does not need to be the President or in Congress to cause harm by spreading rumors that create hate, or panics, or FUD campaigns - not in the age of the Internet and Social media.

And rumors ultimately just distract the public from the real issues of government,

and allow the government to avoid dealing with the real issues of government.

So, precisely because Monkey has some defined politics, and a certain style of link posting,

we should all make sure to post some Devil’s advocate or different point of view to balance him out.

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[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3025841]I myself avoided posting on this thread for along time.

But, over time, I increasingly thought the optics of this specific thread were ending up like Breibart or Occupy Democrats

in the rumor push by the staff member running it, with a somewhat unilateral voice.

So, this is a thread prone to be unbalanced in journalistic voice by title,

by the fact the site owner started it with a certain disposition,

and due to the personal politics of the staff member moderating it and most frequently posting to it.

I decided to start posting in a dissenting voice, so there was contrary narrative to the one being put out almost continuously by the staff moderator of the thread.

I would posit that Bullshido works better when there are opposing sides in an argument battling it out than when a thread gets too unilaterally unbalanced.

If unilateral unbalance has to happen, whether virtuously or not,

than the burdens of accuracy regarding the posts of the staff members of the site become higher,

or Bullshido ends up replicating a Breibart or Occupy Democrats final product.

Raising points for discussion are virtuous.

But one does not need to be the President or in Congress to cause harm by spreading rumors that create hate, or panics, or FUD campaigns - not in the age of the Internet and Social media.

And rumors ultimately just distract the public from the real issues of government,

and allow the government to avoid dealing with the real issues of government.[/QUOTE]

For the TLDR crowd:

If a thread on an important topic is ran by a very biased staff member with a low regard for source quality,

then the rest of us have to work a little harder to balance out or Devil’s advocate the resulting narrative,

unless the site assigns two staff members to have an active “For and Against” co-ownership of the thread,

and they can manage to keep pace with each other.

Otherwise, Bullshido ends up with a Breibart or Occupy Democrats style final product.

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[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3025843]For the TLDR crowd:

If a thread on an important topic is ran by a very biased staff member with a low regard for source quality,

then the rest of us have to work a little harder to balance out or Devil’s advocate the resulting narrative,

unless the site assigns two staff members to have an active “For and Against” co-ownership of the thread,

and they can manage to keep pace with each other.

Otherwise, Bullshido ends up with a Breibart or Occupy Democrats style final product.[/QUOTE]

I do not think that anybody reads monkeys links.

im not even sure he does .

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[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3025843]If a thread on an important topic is ran by a very biased staff member with a low regard for source quality,[/QUOTE]

Monkey and I disagree on a lot of things, politically. But, he has executed his moderator duties honorably, and with very low bias. Certainly less so than me, I can be a bit of a hothead.

Being able to voice oneself is what makes this place attractive. Please don’t make the mistake of confusing ModMonkey with PostMonkey.

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[QUOTE=submessenger;3025848]Monkey and I disagree on a lot of things, politically. But, he has executed his moderator duties honorably, and with very low bias. Certainly less so than me, I can be a bit of a hothead.

Being able to voice oneself is what makes this place attractive. Please don’t make the mistake of confusing ModMonkey with PostMonkey.[/QUOTE]
Ah the “H” word.

Using words “Honorable” and words like “Loyalty” are counter productive.

As far as I know, the Mods are volunteer labor.

So thank you, Mods, all.

Back to the point-

The problem here is not Monkey the poster.

As a poster, Monkey is fantastic, because a poster may troll, inform, insult, play whatever games, or run hoaxes and practical jokes as he or she pleases.

Posters may post crap or gold as they please.

As a mod, we can encourage Monkey to be better without invoking words like “honor”…

Or, we can put in a process so there is more point, counterpoint, if one Mod on a thread is posting questionable links, machine gun style, with a clear and definite bias, to a thread that covers an important topic.

This has nothing to do with Monkey’s “honor”.

The end goal would be for a thread that balances humor, witty insults of politicians and posters, but also manages to cover the issues with good information rigor to help debunk versus contribute to the rumor milling crap of society.

The journalistic titles with 100 years of service have been consumed by the invasion of the body snatchers.

So, we’ll have to do.

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[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3025850]Ah the “H” word.

Using words “Honorable” and words like “Loyalty” are counter productive.

As far as I know, the Mods are volunteer labor.

So thank you, Mods, all.

Back to the point-

The problem here is not Monkey the poster.

As a poster, Monkey is fantastic, because a poster may troll, inform, insult, play whatever games, or run hoaxes and practical jokes as he or she pleases.

Posters may post crap or gold as they please.

As a mod, we can encourage Monkey to be better without invoking words like “honor”…

Or, we can put in a process so there is more point, counterpoint, if one Mod on a thread is posting questionable links, machine gun style, with a clear and definite bias, to a thread that covers an important topic.

This has nothing to do with Monkey’s “honor”.

The end goal would be for a thread that balances humor, witty insults of politicians and posters, but also manages to cover the issues with good information rigor to help debunk versus contribute to the rumor milling crap of society.

The journalistic titles with 100 years of service have been consumed by the invasion of the body snatchers.

So, we’ll have to do.[/QUOTE]

You are attacking PostMonkey because he also bears the red tag of staffdom. I think you’re getting things mixed up, here. No need. Go, sleep on it, under some stars.

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[QUOTE=submessenger;3025853]You are attacking PostMonkey because he also bears the red tag of staffdom. I think you’re getting things mixed up, here. No need. Go, sleep on it, under some stars.[/QUOTE]
Actually, Sub, your misplaced loyalty is a greater fault than any fault Monkey has,

because unlike Monkey, you should and do know better.

Monkey’s problem is a lesser evil, because he does not realize his error.

You are more intelligent and have more practical understanding than he, yet you enable his errors as a mod,

as another mod, out of misplaced loyalty.

A child who errs may be forgiven and instructed,

an adult who errs may be forgiven if the error was honest and caused little harm.

But, a person in responsibility who knowingly errs to cover for the errors of another person in responsibility produces systemic corruption, rather than incidental error.

Therefore, I do not fault Monkey, I fault you.

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[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3025854]Actually, Sub, your misplaced loyalty is a greater fault than any fault Monkey has,

because unlike Monkey, you should and do know better.

Monkey’s problem is a lesser evil, because he does not realize his error.

You are more intelligent and have more practical understanding than he, yet you enable his errors as a mod,

out of misplaced loyalty.

A child who errs may be forgiven and instructed,

an adult who errs may be forgiven if the error was honest and caused little harm.

But, a person in responsibility who knowingly errs to cover for the errors of another person in responsibility produces systemic corruption, rather than incidental corruption.

Therefore, I do not fault Monkey, I fault you.[/QUOTE]

I see the evening libations have found an early home in you.

Monkey was my “hire,” and so I probably am a little biased towards him. He’s never tried to buy me off with clothing, though. That puts him a little above you, in my book.

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[QUOTE=submessenger;3025855]I see the evening libations have found an early home in you.

Monkey was my “hire,” and so I probably am a little biased towards him. He’s never tried to buy me off with clothing, though. That puts him a little above you, in my book.[/QUOTE]
Buying off corrupt officials is a tried and true practice.

Did you refuse the bribe?

Did you burn it?

No.

You accepted it, and put it in your pocket.

All great evils start with such little evils.

As for me, like a lobbyist, if I may legally buy influence,

then who is more at fault,

someone that pays an officer a pittance to escape a ticket,

or the person of responsibility that accepts such bribes?

You were easily bought.

And, now you have remorse.

In fact, you were not ever a high priced whore,

but sold your honor for less than $20.

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[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3025856]Buying off corrupt officials is a tried and true practice.

Did you refuse the bribe?

Did you burn it?

No.

You accepted it, and put it in your pocket.

All great evils start with such little evils.

As for me, like a lobbyist, if I may legally buy influence,

then who is more at fault,

someone that pays an officer a pittance to escape a ticket,

or the person of responsibility that accepts such bribes?

You were easily bought.

And, now you have remorse.

In fact, you were not ever a high priced whore,

but sold your honor for less than $20.[/QUOTE]

You can check w/ Phrost: I have not taken delivery of your crap bribe, even though it is a brief jog away.

Too funny, you coming on to a site of martial artists being the odd man out, the criticized one, and trying to take it over from within. We all have Sun Tzu, you are increasingly transparent.

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[QUOTE=submessenger;3025857]You can check w/ Phrost: I have not taken delivery of your crap bribe, even though it is a brief jog away.

Too funny, you coming on to a site of martial artists being the odd man out, the criticized one, and trying to take it over from within. We all have Sun Tzu, you are increasingly transparent.[/QUOTE]
You gave me a black belt tag that I did not ask for,

and that you never even background checked other than me posting pictures that I could have easily pulled from the Interweb.

Transparent?

How would you know?

You are a blind man.

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[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3025858]You gave me a black belt tag that I did not ask for,

and that you never even background checked other than me posting pictures that I could have easily pulled from the Interweb.

Transparent?

How would you know?

You are a blind man.[/QUOTE]

I don’t recall if you asked for the BB tag or not. I can rectify that, right now.

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[QUOTE=submessenger;3025859]I don’t recall if you asked for the BB tag or not. I can rectify that, right now.[/QUOTE]
On a separate note…

What causes someone to sit at blue belt for ten years?

Who do you have to insult to make that happen…

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[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3025860]On a separate note…

What causes someone to sit at blue belt for ten years?

Who do you have to insult to make that happen…[/QUOTE]

I have my own personal failings. No need to rub salt.

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[QUOTE=submessenger;3025861]I have my own personal failings. No need to rub salt.[/QUOTE]
I see you finally took off the black belt tag that you never verified.

Took you long enough…

Did you ever even verify that I was the real author of the petition?

Or did you take that on faith, too?

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Why is this place turning into the bastard child of Stormfront and MAP?

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Sub, I would like my “Astronaut” tag.

No really, I am an astronaut.

I have pictures of me in a space suit on the moon.

I’ll PM you the link.

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[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;3025865]Sub, I would like my “Astronaut” tag.

No really, I am an astronaut.

I have pictures of me in a space suit on the moon.

I’ll PM you the link.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, you’re a space man, alright. I don’t need to do any verification outside of this thread. I’ll work on the tag.

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[QUOTE=ghost55;3025864]Why is this place turning into the bastard child of Stormfront and MAP?[/QUOTE]

Fear not, little camper.

Right now I am building a Ryzen Threadripper gaming custom to bolster our defenses, and help maintain every Beam of the Tower.

Installed a new ceiling fan too. Bought some Girl Scout cookies for later. They’re made of sugar and lemon and sunshine.

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[QUOTE=submessenger;3025868]Yeah, you’re a space man, alright. I don’t need to do any verification outside of this thread. I’ll work on the tag.[/QUOTE]
Handing out unverified tags is what you like to do…