I want to put work on getting back a decent kata guruma and I’d like to ask more experienced grapplers around here wich of the following ones you’d suggest for an old and short guy dealing with younger and bigger partners.
This one (how I was taught back in the day)
or this one (starting @2:30 mark, for the previous ones would get me killed at least)?
Other approaches could be also considered depending, of course, of the proponent.
[QUOTE=DCS;2904157]I want to put work on getting back a decent kata guruma and I’d like to ask more experienced grapplers around here wich of the following ones you’d suggest for an old and short guy dealing with younger and bigger partners.
This one (how I was taught back in the day)
or this one (starting @2:30 mark, for the previous ones would get me killed at least)?
Other approaches could be also considered depending, of course, of the proponent.[/QUOTE]
Mr. Ben, I have sacrificed some good brown liquor to summon thee.
I realize the complete irony of a back country Judoka like me raising conjecture regarding a technique demonstrated and labeled by the US Olympic Judo coach.
But sacrifice style Kata Guruma where Tori sits underneath Uke is really more of an Uki Waza, is it not, rather than really a Kata Guruma…
I generally call the move in the video clips above fireman’s carry just to avoid having to decide to call it sacrifice Kata Guruma or Uki Waza Kata Guruma or…
OK, thanks.
My opinion means exactly dick, so, take this with a grain of salt. In DCS’s vids, I see three distinct but similar techniques. None of them would I consider a sacrifice. D’Aquino would be closest to a sacrifice, but he still retains control. Pedro retains control in both variations. Speaking as an old guy, I would say D’Aquino’s variation would probably be my preference. I have not done any of these throws, however.
[QUOTE=WFMurphyPhD;2904164]Mr. Ben, I have sacrificed some good brown liquor to summon thee.
I realize the complete irony of a back country Judoka like me raising conjecture regarding a technique demonstrated and labeled by the US Olympic Judo coach.
But sacrifice style Kata Guruma where Tori sits underneath Uke is really more of an Uki Waza, is it not, rather than really a Kata Guruma…
I generally call the move in the video clips above fireman’s carry just to avoid having to decide to call it sacrifice Kata Guruma or Uki Waza Kata Guruma or…[/QUOTE]
I’ve already had my liquor and am heading to the fridge for more…
The argument about Kata Guruma or Uki Waza has been around for a while for that particular technique. Shoulder Wheel requires shoulder to be used as axis around/over which uke is turned like a wheel.
In any case, DCS, I think you would be better off using ashi waza. How is your lower back/hip flexibility? The first one that Matt does requires quite a bit of flexibility that way, and if you miss you will get scrunched, maybe badly.
Jimmy’s version I like better, but you won’t win any friends or positively influence anyone by rolling over them like that.
Notice he is doing it from an opposite grip situation (he is a lefty), that is an important part of it.
Caveat, I’m no expert on Kata Guruma…Jimmy Pedro wrestled in college at Brown University.
I’d pass on Kata Guruma and work on stupid simple stuff like various single leg takedown variation, and Judo ashi waza.
[QUOTE=submessenger;2904176]My opinion means exactly dick, so, take this with a grain of salt. In DCS’s vids, I see three distinct but similar techniques. None of them would I consider a sacrifice. D’Aquino would be closest to a sacrifice, but he still retains control. Pedro retains control in both variations. Speaking as an old guy, I would say D’Aquino’s variation would probably be my preference. I have not done any of these throws, however.[/QUOTE]
Matt’s version requires a good bit of hip/lower back/groin flexibility.
Sacrifice technique (sutemi waza) does not imply lack of or loss of control. Sutemi means “sacrifice”, but the Japanese guys tend to say “abandonment”.
[QUOTE=BKR;2904239]In any case, DCS, I think you would be better off using ashi waza. How is your lower back/hip flexibility? The first one that Matt does requires quite a bit of flexibility that way, and if you miss you will get scrunched, maybe badly.[/QUOTE]
My hip flexibility is decent, what I lack is strenght-stability jn my knees to upload-lift heavy people. My poor standup game is already based on ashi waza: fake seoi to kouchi, deashi to osoto, double leg entry to low level kosoto… basic things like that.
Jimmy’s version I like better, but you won’t win any friends or positively influence anyone by rolling over them like that.
That’s why I pointed to the one demonstrated @ 2:30.
I’d pass on Kata Guruma and work on stupid simple stuff like various single leg takedown variation, and Judo ashi waza.
Thanks Ben. And submessenger too.
[QUOTE=DCS;2904254]My hip flexibility is decent, what I lack is strenght-stability jn my knees to upload-lift heavy people. My poor standup game is already based on ashi waza: fake seoi to kouchi, deashi to osoto, double leg entry to low level kosoto… basic things like that.
That’s why I pointed to the one demonstrated @ 2:30.
Thanks Ben. And submessenger too.[/QUOTE]
I tell my students all the time: Gravity is your friend, why fight with your friend?
[QUOTE=BKR;2904240]Sutemi means “sacrifice”, but the Japanese guys tend to say “abandonment”.[/QUOTE]“Commitment” is another way to think about it. You commit to the attack despite the fact that if it fails you are in trouble, because without that commitment the attack has no chance. Throw away your life in order to retain your life.
[QUOTE=NeilG;2904478]“Commitment” is another way to think about it. You commit to the attack despite the fact that if it fails you are in trouble, because without that commitment the attack has no chance. Throw away your life in order to retain your life.[/QUOTE]
Commit to every attack, not just sacrifices. Someday, I’ll figure this out for myself.
[QUOTE=submessenger;2904499]Commit to every attack, not just sacrifices. Someday, I’ll figure this out for myself.[/QUOTE]
Yes. In kendo, sutemi is a general concept that applies to a lot of what we do, not a reference to a specific set of techniques.
I’ve always liked the way Xande Ribeiro shows it on his instructional.