I have had several shitty jobs I was stuck in. had to work at a bingo fucking hall in my early twenties with a wife and kids at the time making slightly above minimum wage. Being at a smoke filled bingo hall till 3 in the morning on a Friday and Saturday night, cleaning tables up after people and making shitty tips.
Yeah it sucked big time especially when all my friends were out partying in there 20’s.
It also motivated me to bust my ass and work way harder than any of them and force my way into better jobs.
There are huge opportunities in North America for anyone, more than any other country in the world.
Some jobs suck more than others but no one is forced to work them. And as long as you are gainfully employed and willing to hustle and don’t wait for things or opportunity to be handed to you, you can always move upward.
That’s a great reason to work hard but not a great reason to make other people’s work harder. Do you also run over people to help paramedic keep their game up?
Cute, but false analogy. Cleaning up the theatre is part of the job description. I have been an Usher worked at McDonalds, worked at a theme park, plenty of shit jobs.
By the way being an Usher isn’t a hard job, boring yes, hard no.
I do think it’s a little weird to defend your God-given right as a consumer to make a huge fucking mess and be an irresponsible dick because it builds character for the ushers by taking us on your knee and telling us how you used to work in shitty jobs, and back then minimum wage hadn’t been invented and when walking to work 15 miles in the snow you had to be careful of people throwing excrement out of the window because sewers didn’t exist oh but Julius Caesar was a pretty cool guy I met him when I was young.
Perhaps a better analogy would have been: Do you also take a crap in the middle of the hallway whenever you don’t feel like going to the bathroom, and have your son clean it up to build character?
So it’s okay to leave a mess in a movie theatre because people are paid to clean it up but not okay to leave a mess in a restaurant because people are paid to clean it up?
You MJS have gone to see My Little Pony 2 Electric Boogaloo. You have bought your nacho supreme, bucket’o’popcorn 8 ounce slurrpy and 2 hot dogs.
At the end of the movie you collect up your leavings in smug self satisfaction as you near the exit you see that the garbage receptacle is full, in fact it’s over flowing. You can try and cram your stuff in but you know it will fall out spilling nacho cheese and slurrpy leavings all over the exit area.
Also it’s so full cramming it in there will make it harder for the usher to clean.
You could put it down next to the garbage but it might get kicked over by the other 12 year olds behind you.
So you leave the theatre hands full of garbage, looking for an appropriate place to dump it. At this time by the way your slurrpy wants to come out of your body.
Do you walk up to the usher collecting tickets for the next show and ask him to take your garbage. He’s already doing a job and it’s not his responsibility
This is after you have spent $75 on ticket food and a brand new souvenir My Little Pony Purse.
Do you just put your garbage down anywhere in the complex? Are you going to walk around with all this crap even though you just paid $75 bucks?
It’s ok to leave a resonable mess i.e. the popcorn you bought there in the theatre and it’s ok to leave a reasonable mess, i.e the food and dishes you used at a restaurant because people are paid to clean it up.
It’s part of the service and what you pay for.
now if a theatre wanted to discount prices with the understanding that you clean up after yourself then OK that’s reasonable.
Much in the way Ikea or a fast food place has supper cheap food and asks you to clean your own table.
Depends. If it’s a buffet-style restaraunt where the trash cans are located right next to me, or at worst, involve a harrowing ten-foot walk, then yes, I do. If it’s a dine-in place where throwing my things away would involve going into the kitchen, then no. That’s seriously the worst counter-argument I’ve had limply chucked my way in a while, Joe.
Actually I think both Boyd and MJS made a lot of excellent points.
Here’s my take:
The assertion that kids need shitty jobs in order to “build character” is flawed. It worked back in the day, but only because parents were actually parenting and explained how these things worked. Today the art of discipline, teaching and parenting is so lost, it has become pointless battle of wills that make both parent and kid bitter. The result? Spoiled, lazy, kids with no respect for anything.
Teenagers today who are lazy, disrespectful punks are usually so because:
a) Thier parents are also lazy, disrespectful punks.
b) Thier parents have no clue how to dicipline or parent thier kids.
c) The parents let thier kids hang out with other lazy, disrespectful punks.
d) There are no parents/consistent parenting to speak of, or they’ve been displaced.
No amount of crappy jobs will change that once they get to that age. All it does is breed the attitudes some of you are displaying here. In addition, the above also makes the assumption that all teenagers are little punks. This is also patently false, and in making this assumption you are also saying the well mannered, good-natured, honest and considerate kids, need to have a crappy job, just because all the kids you know happen to be spoiled punk brats, and you had to do crap jobs when you were a kid.
Me personally I think Jerry Seinfeld, and apparently several of you, are just being lazy, inconsiderate jackasses. Being thoughtful and considerate has nothing to do with what others can do for you, paid or otherwise, and everything to do with what you are willing to do for others. It doesn’t matter if you’ve hired someone specifically to wipe your ass for you when you take a crap, the difference between a really considerate person and everyone else is that the thoughtful one would still try to wipe his own ass as much as possible.
I’ll grant you, yes, garbage collectors, waiters and ushers are all paid to clean up after you, but it has little bearing on whether you are an inconsiderate slob or not. I don’t see why you would try to justify your actions by saying “It build kids characters” or “They are paid to do it”. You can’t know that it does anything for anyone, character wise, and you don’t know if they are already being worked to the bone, maybe even far in excess of what they are being paid, so they are just idle excuses for your laziness.
You missed the point, it’s not an issue of weather they’re punks or not. Teenagers get shitty McDonald level jobs because they haven’t earned the right to have any other type of jobs. the lessone learned is you get what you work for and earn what you deserve.
If McDonalds sucks when you’re 14 it will suck when you’re 20 so starte the process now of working hard and doing a good job so you don’t have to be 20 and workign at McDonalds. Hard work, quality work pay off. This is an important lesson for any kid to learn.
It is irrelevant to their upbringing.
Doesn’t matter if they’re an angel A+ student or jerk.
Me personally I think Jerry Seinfeld, and apparently several of you, are just being lazy, inconsiderate jackasses. Being thoughtful and considerate has nothing to do with what others can do for you, paid or otherwise, and everything to do with what you are willing to do for others. It doesn’t matter if you’ve hired someone specifically to wipe your ass for you when you take a crap, the difference between a really considerate person and everyone else is that the thoughtful one would still try to wipe his own ass as much as possible.
Wrong, being inconsiderate is not paying someone to wipe your ass and having them do it. Being inconsiderate is paying someone to wipe your ass and being a rude jerk about it and treating them like shit.
I’ll grant you, yes, garbage collectors, waiters and ushers are all paid to clean up after you, but it has little bearing on whether you are an inconsiderate slob or not. I don’t see why you would try to justify your actions by saying “It build kids characters” or “They are paid to do it”. You can’t know that it does anything for anyone, character wise, and you don’t know if they are already being worked to the bone, maybe even far in excess of what they are being paid, so they are just idle excuses for your laziness.
But that’s just this noobs opinion…
Wrong again
The character point wasn’t about leaving a mess to build character it was about starting from the bottom and doing the job you agreed to do and not bitching about it regardless of how unpleasnt it is.
If you’re paid to bus tables you can’t complain about how messy tables are.
In the bussing scenario it’s not inconsiderate or lazy to leave a messy table for the bus boy, it is inconsidertate not to leave a good tip. But cleaning the table is the job description.
As far as being worked to the bone in the free world (not talking about sweet shops) and fair payment that’s between the employer and employee, no one is forced to work if it’s unequitable they can always quit or find a better job.
Theatres charge a lot for tickets and food, and don’t allow you to bring anything in. Therefore they can clean up after me like at a restaurant.
They can pay the Ushers more to do it or hire a cleaning staff, I don’t care.