Interesting way to combat the NRA

As I tell you guys, I search all sides of any issue I choose to debate. I like to be informed before I state or argue my position. Recently I have actually been getting donate to Trump and anti-gun ads and stories.

This one popped up today.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2019/09/27/new-senate-report-alleges-nra-acted-as-foreign-asset-for-russia-before-2016-election/

Yes, the senate has published a 77 page report about the NRA being a Rusian asset. No. I am not joking, this is not a parody or comedic article from the Onion. I am truly fascinated at this turn.

I haven’t completely delved in, but it reminds me of another investigation.

[QUOTE=It is Fake;3044762]As I tell you guys, I search all sides of any issue I choose to debate. I like to be informed before I state or argue my position. Recently I have actually been getting donate to Trump and anti-gun ads and stories.

This one popped up today.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2019/09/27/new-senate-report-alleges-nra-acted-as-foreign-asset-for-russia-before-2016-election/

Yes, the senate has published a 77 page report about the NRA being a Rusian asset. No. I am not joking, this is not a parody or comedic article from the Onion. I am truly fascinated at this turn.

I haven’t completely delved in, but it reminds me of another investigation.[/QUOTE]

The basic idea is this. Putin knows that guns are a divisive issue in America, and he knows the NRA is hated by a lot of people. Including me, a gun enthusiast.

But, it’s important to understand what “asset” means. It means something of value, and the value of the NRA to Russian military intelligence is sowing chaos between Americans. At the operational level that translates into fanning the flames of both the gun hater and the gun lovers of the USA.

They do the same thing with vaccines, because disease epidemics cost a lot of money and that has an economic impact on us. It might be arguable that anti-vaxxers exist now IN FORCE because of the same forces that interfered in the 2016 election. The timing is the same.

I’ll also say this. I study Red Dawn a lot. Possibly Patrick Swayze’s greatest film.

What the difference between them and us?

WE LIVE HERE. Bang bang.

[QUOTE=It is Fake;3044762]As I tell you guys, I search all sides of any issue I choose to debate. I like to be informed before I state or argue my position. Recently I have actually been getting donate to Trump and anti-gun ads and stories.

This one popped up today.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2019/09/27/new-senate-report-alleges-nra-acted-as-foreign-asset-for-russia-before-2016-election/

Yes, the senate has published a 77 page report about the NRA being a Rusian asset. No. I am not joking, this is not a parody or comedic article from the Onion. I am truly fascinated at this turn.

I haven’t completely delved in, but it reminds me of another investigation.[/QUOTE]

Maybe I somehow clicked on a different video link. Hajiab wearing politician?

Regardless, Wrabbit is full of shit.

[QUOTE=hungryjoe;3044772]Maybe I somehow clicked on a different video link. Hajiab wearing politician?

Regardless, Wrabbit is full of shit.[/QUOTE]

Shit makes the world go round.

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But, then there’s this

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“the clenched fist of truth”.

And all I can think about are Dana Loesch’s earrings.

[QUOTE=W. Rabbit;3044777]“the clenched fist of truth”.

And all I can think about are Dana Loesch’s earrings.[/QUOTE]

I’d hatefuck her if she’d let me put a bag over her head. Anyways the NRA has been useless for years. The FPC and SAF are much better.

[QUOTE=ghost55;3044778]I’d hatefuck her if she’d let me put a bag over her head. Anyways the NRA has been useless for years. The FPC and SAF are much better.[/QUOTE]

Why do you feel the need to flock to acronyms and initialisms?

To me, Dana is Donald Trump.

[QUOTE=W. Rabbit;3044780]Why do you feel the need to flock to acronyms and initialisms?

To me, Dana is Donald Trump.[/QUOTE]

I was referring to the Firearms Policy Center and the 2nd Amendment Foundation.

[QUOTE=W. Rabbit;3044780]Why do you feel the need to flock to acronyms and initialisms?

To me, Dana is Donald Trump.[/QUOTE]

Weak troll attempt. Millions of us think you’re playing to emotion. What about that .50 cal you stand to inherit but can’t bring across your NJ state lines? Kindly fuck off. You can find better areas of the site to troll. Weak, really.

[QUOTE=It is Fake;3044762]As I tell you guys, I search all sides of any issue I choose to debate. I like to be informed before I state or argue my position. Recently I have actually been getting donate to Trump and anti-gun ads and stories.

This one popped up today.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2019/09/27/new-senate-report-alleges-nra-acted-as-foreign-asset-for-russia-before-2016-election/

Yes, the senate has published a 77 page report about the NRA being a Rusian asset. No. I am not joking, this is not a parody or comedic article from the Onion. I am truly fascinated at this turn.

I haven’t completely delved in, but it reminds me of another investigation.[/QUOTE]The NPR highlight blurb I read that concerns me states that Pete Brownell appears to have taken a trip to Russia when promised business opportunities. If so, and if NRA defrayed the costs of said trip, that is bad for Pete, bad for Brownells, and bad for the NRA. Most of the rest seems like noise.

I intend to read the document fully when I have time, but if this report is anything like a certain Congressman’s parody of Donald Trump’s summary of his Ukraine Conversation (or the Russia investigation, or . . .), we are going to see a bunch of nasty accusations surrounded by information that looks bad but doesn’t really tell us much. Did the NRA actually get caught doing anything they shouldn’t have been, or did they get taken advantage of by Russian information operations? Bottom line is that the NRA’s influence in Washington has waned to the point that Democrats feel confident that they can destroy it for acting like any other partisan non-profit lobbying firm. I’m sure that has nothing to do with competing Bloomberg money/lobbying and everything to do with sea change in American politics.

There’s some irony in that, somewhere. An actual grassroots funded organization getting destroyed by a centrally funded fake grassroots organization. I think where all this goes off the rails is that NRA was full of members who were not 2A absolutists and thought GOA type organizations were too extreme. What are they going to think if NRA gets destroyed by Bloomberg and the DNC members of Capitol Hill.

Exactly how I feel. It reminds me of the Clinton foundation investigation. i still ned to read both reports. The Dems have a 77 page report and the Repubs have a 19 page rebuttal.

Any issue and/or any group, individual, etc that adds momentum to divisive issues in other players is an asset to Putin.

Whether the NRA, or Ms. Greta, the Current President, Pelosi, all the circus shit shows undermining confidence in the integrity of the government or Democratic process.

It makes other players weaker, distracted with infighting, and allows Putin to say “see, the ones who accuse of us of being fucked up are themselves fucked up / corrupt / rigged Democracies,” etc.

[QUOTE=hungryjoe;3044783]Weak troll attempt. Millions of us think you’re playing to emotion. What about that .50 cal you stand to inherit but can’t bring across your NJ state lines? Kindly fuck off. You can find better areas of the site to troll. Weak, really.[/QUOTE]

Yes your attempt to troll is weak.

The .50 is totally legal here in NJ. This is part of the issue, somebody (NRA?) has convinced you I live in some sort of gunless communist state. Sorry to disappoint!

And if you want to see some real appeal to emotion, watch Dana’s NRA fear mongering video again count and how many times she says to fear “they”, “them”, and “their”.

I find it ironic her Parkland survivor debate opponent showed more emotional restraint that she did, and kept to the question about bump stocks while Dana went fully auto emote.

[QUOTE=Cassius;3044798]
a centrally funded fake grassroots organization. [/QUOTE]

The term for this is “astroturfing” and I think you could argue the NRA does plenty of it too.

[QUOTE=W. Rabbit;3044809]The term for this is “astroturfing” and I think you could argue the NRA does plenty of it too.[/QUOTE]The NRA makes a good amount of money off of the gun industry, but when you look into it, a significant portion of that appears to be from NRA “round up” purchases or similar programs, which tend to be voluntary opt in things for purchasers. The best information I can find is that membership dues are about 45%+ of its income, with individual donations making up another 24% or so of its income. Due to the way they are structured it is a little hard to tell, but from what I can tell it still seems as though the NRA is much more of a grassroots organization than Everytown/Moms/Other Random Orgs that make it appear as though there are lots and lots of little groups popping up all over the place. When HUFFPO criticizes your organization for lacking transparency, being centrally funded by billionaires, and doing business with the nonprofit version of shell corporations, that is telling. The coverage everytown/Moms get for their bloody flag waving reeks of insider media access, too.

And this is anecdotal so take it for what its worth, but at the protest events I have observed in the DC metro area, I think most telling is how gun control people seem to always be bussed in from somewhere else, given materials to use, clothing, food, etc . . . whereas the pro2A people always seem to carpool in from wherever on their own some and usually pay their own way. Again that is anecdotal to my experience.

Just to be clear: I do not support the NRA in its current state or much of its messaging, but they have some amazing programs that I would hate to see go away. And no other organization is ready to step up and fill the void when DNC/rich people finally fracture or outright destroy it. I donate to causes I best identify with, only two of which are gun related at the moment (American Suppressor Association and Second Amendment Foundation).

[QUOTE=Cassius;3044817]The NRA makes a good amount of money off of the gun industry, but when you look into it, a significant portion of that appears to be from NRA “round up” purchases or similar programs, which tend to be voluntary opt in things for purchasers. The best information I can find is that membership dues are about 45%+ of its income, with individual donations making up another 24% or so of its income. Due to the way they are structured it is a little hard to tell, but from what I can tell it still seems as though the NRA is much more of a grassroots organization than Everytown/Moms/Other Random Orgs that make it appear as though there are lots and lots of little groups popping up all over the place. When HUFFPO criticizes your organization for lacking transparency, being centrally funded by billionaires, and doing business with the nonprofit version of shell corporations, that is telling. The coverage everytown/Moms get for their bloody flag waving reeks of insider media access, too.

And this is anecdotal so take it for what its worth, but at the protest events I have observed in the DC metro area, I think most telling is how gun control people seem to always be bussed in from somewhere else, given materials to use, clothing, food, etc . . . whereas the pro2A people always seem to carpool in from wherever on their own some and usually pay their own way. Again that is anecdotal to my experience.

Just to be clear: I do not support the NRA in its current state or much of its messaging, but they have some amazing programs that I would hate to see go away. And no other organization is ready to step up and fill the void when DNC/rich people finally fracture or outright destroy it. I donate to causes I best identify with, only two of which are gun related at the moment (American Suppressor Association and Second Amendment Foundation).[/QUOTE]

I think what’s wrong with the NRA is that they are in bed with some really, really sleazy mass media organizations of, let’s just say, questionable integrity. So now they use similar tactics, smears, including smeaing the actual survivors of gun violence. WTF? Charleton Heson, in Flint Michigan, after Columbine??? “From my cold dead hands”, he said. But the cold dead hands are the children’s in these school shootings, not him. He died peacefully, in Beverly Hills.

The NRA uses the same tactics as those other unmentionables: fear of government (unless of course it’s your candidate). “THE GOVERNMENT IS COMING FOR YOUR GUNS” type fear mongering is worse than anything I’ve seen elsewhere. At least the Sandy Hook, Colorado, Parkland survivors etc are coming from a place of real victimhood, they were traumatized by gun violence and suffer PTSD until the end of time.

So when Dana “I used to be an average Youtuber” Loesch tried to scare me with Otherism bullshit so I might clutch my AR-15 tighter at night, kiss my .223 rounds, and donate to the NRA…

yeah I’m done with the NRA. The idea of it is great, but talk about missing the forest for the trees. They could be championing the debate! They could be educating and enlightening the victims, and helping get common sense gun laws put in place. But they don’t, because it’s easier to scare everyone that the US is one night away from a Kristallnacht where everyone’s guns and bullets are rounded up by commies. That’s such a pipe dream, it would take someone like Dana Loesch to try selling it.

When Jon Favreau, of all people, calls your videos “revolting and frightening”, yeah you might want to consider a change in tone.

Yeah I’ve got a real problem with NRA fearmongering too. That specifically is why I do not support them. Well and the bumpstock thing and how they never got held accountable for getting them banned. And the Hughes Amendment. And, to keep bringing up old shit, their support of open carry bans when “undesirables” started doing it.

What I do find amusing: when you declare NRA Terrorists but still require you police force to be affiliated with them.