https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/design-ar-15-derail-charges-tied-popular-rifle-68252403
Defense lawyers are arguing lower receivers fall outside of the legal definition of a gun. Semantics, love it or hate.
Please note, everything is a “loophole” when it comes to gun defense.
Then what part of the AR is supposed to be serialized? If this flies are we going to start putting that shit on the upper like we do with HK rifles and the SCAR?
[QUOTE=It is Fake;3064115]https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/design-ar-15-derail-charges-tied-popular-rifle-68252403
Defense lawyers are arguing lower receivers fall outside of the legal definition of a gun. Semantics, love it or hate.
Please note, everything is a “loophole” when it comes ro gun defense.[/QUOTE]
I always thought it was interesting. Obviously I follow the law because they make the rules. But I always thought it was funny that I have to go to an FFL to buy this little hollow piece of aluminum and then I can get all the other parts shipped to my house.
To me, they should call a working firearm and firearm and leave the pieces alone. If I build one, then hold me responsible for being able to legally own it. That’s on me. But until it’s built, it’s a paper weight.
Phrost should do a run on some bullshido lowers that we can order. That would be cool.
This is going to create a mess. It is unfortunate, but was going to happen eventually. Bureaucrats gotta bureaucrat. Government intensifies
[QUOTE=Cassius;3064121]This is going to create a mess. It is unfortunate, but was going to happen eventually. Bureaucrats gotta bureaucrat. Government intensifies[/QUOTE]
The fuck will this mean for all of the ARs waiting to be sold that only have the serial number on the lower? Is every single manufacturer going to have to eat the cost of recalling all that shit and re-serializing it? Fucking hell.
One of my favorite lines from the article:
“The issue also complicates efforts to address so-called ghost guns, which are largely untraceable because they are assembled from parts.”
Um, so, what are non-ghost guns made of ? chopped liver ?
Ghost guns, what a load of FUD. I bet at least half of the firearms in circulation in the US are “untraceable”.
I mean, 17 million ARs alone, estimated. And you can bet that alone is a minimum.
In 2012 Remington had produced 7 million Model 700s alone.
More than 7.5 million Winchester Model 94s…
I mean, really, it is so easy for a convicted felon to buy a firearm on the black market, and they are worried about a dude getting a bare lower ?
So fucking stupid. They can buy an 80% lower and finish it…and then buy the rest of the parts.
But that is really a round about way to do it for an ex-con.
I mean one of the appeals of the AR platform is I can have one lower(in this example a pistol lower), that i can have many uppers of various caliber, lengths, its legal to go from pistol to rifle and back as long as you do not accidentally SBR yourself during the transition. That at least for me is the appeal.
I can go rim fire .22 for a day of plinking to full on home defense pdw.
[QUOTE=ghost55;3064126]The fuck will this mean for all of the ARs waiting to be sold that only have the serial number on the lower? Is every single manufacturer going to have to eat the cost of recalling all that shit and re-serializing it? Fucking hell.[/QUOTE]Right now it means that there is precedent arguing that none of the parts by themselves are firearms. Is this tacit proof that the soul exists as we are all more than the sum of our parts?
J/K ATF will probably rule autocratically that the act of uniting an upper and a lower is manufacturing a firearm.
[QUOTE=Cassius;3064137]
J/K ATF will probably rule autocratically that the act of uniting an upper and a lower is manufacturing a firearm.[/QUOTE]
As a Californian this creates a whole mess of problems for me i suspect.
Or is it just modifying a pre-existing firearm every time i change or buy a new upper.
Where this gets particularly troubling is when we get into what the ATF has done around construction material rules in the past with NSF parts. Like suppressor parts, seers and the like.
If you say own a rifle lower and own a pistol upper are you now going to be running a foul of having parts for a SBR.
So, if I have an NEF Hani-Rifle, or a TC Contender or whatever they call them now, or a barrel wrench and a bunch of barrels for my Savage 110, is each barrel change become a new firearm ? Would I be manufacturing ?
LOL !
[QUOTE=Cassius;3064137]Right now it means that there is precedent arguing that none of the parts by themselves are firearms. Is this tacit proof that the soul exists as we are all more than the sum of our parts?
J/K ATF will probably rule autocratically that the act of uniting an upper and a lower is manufacturing a firearm.[/QUOTE]
That will make 80% AR builds much, much easier. Somehow I don’t see them doing that.
Either way, they have once again just created a boom on ARs and their parts. Everyone is going to go ape shit and stock pile parts again. And I’ll admit I’m as guilty as the next guy. Heck, I had a friend give me a lower one time and I went out to my shop and built a complete AR just out of spare parts. lol
[QUOTE=BKR;3064130]I mean, really, it is so easy for a convicted felon to buy a firearm on the black market, and they are worried about a dude getting a bare lower ?
So fucking stupid. They can buy an 80% lower and finish it…and then buy the rest of the parts.
But that is really a round about way to do it for an ex-con.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BKR;3064128]One of my favorite lines from the article:
“The issue also complicates efforts to address so-called ghost guns, which are largely untraceable because they are assembled from parts.”
Um, so, what are non-ghost guns made of ? chopped liver ?
Ghost guns, what a load of FUD. I bet at least half of the firearms in circulation in the US are “untraceable”.
I mean, 17 million ARs alone, estimated. And you can bet that alone is a minimum.
In 2012 Remington had produced 7 million Model 700s alone.
More than 7.5 million Winchester Model 94s…[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Diesel_tke;3064143]Either way, they have once again just created a boom on ARs and their parts. Everyone is going to go ape shit and stock pile parts again. And I’ll admit I’m as guilty as the next guy. Heck, I had a friend give me a lower one time and I went out to my shop and built a complete AR just out of spare parts. lol[/QUOTE]
This is why I mentioned loopholes. I often wonder how much of this is done to push the market. Seriously, these articles crack me up. Watch out we just gave people another way to make money.
[QUOTE=Diesel_tke;3064120]Phrost should do a run on some bullshido lowers that we can order. That would be cool.[/QUOTE]
I will buy a Bullshido lower.
[QUOTE=submessenger;3064155]I will buy a Bullshido lower.[/QUOTE]
“Safe” on the selector lever will be changed to “Aikido”.
[QUOTE=Phrost;3064157]“Safe” on the selector lever will be changed to “Aikido”.[/QUOTE]
I’m sorta kinda serious on this. I have an uncle who is an FFL. I’ll look into it.
[QUOTE=It is Fake;3064154]This is why I mentioned loopholes. I often wonder how much of this is done to push the market. Seriously, these articles crack me up. Watch out we just gave people another way to make money.[/QUOTE]
Leave my .22LR ammo alone you whoreding assholes.