Qigong is not just for breathing. For internal martial arts (and to various degrees for external MA) cultivating and learning to use qi is essential for things like shenfa and fajin. Without neigong these styles are just empty shells which makes learning them a big waste of time and it would be better to train something normal like kickboxing instead which is better for fighting with muscle power. If trained properly, it wouldn’t take more than 3~4 years for an internal MA to have clear sensations of qi and to begin using it for MA and healing. I haven’t really seen any reasonable scientific explanations for what qi is but until they can give us a good explanation we feel what we feel and that’s the only way to describe it.
Ahh another person that can’t answer the questions. Oh and don’t say “we” because you are assuming everyone is in agreement.
Yes, I am one that knows they are linked, but not in the way you just implied.
[QUOTE=It is Fake;2728972]Ahh another person that can’t answer the questions. Oh and don’t say “we” because you are assuming everyone is in agreement.[/QUOTE]
I was talking about people who train neigong. So what is your question?
[QUOTE=leifeng;2728974]I was talking about people who train neigong.[/quote] Yes, and it doesn’t make your assessment correct. Nor does it apply to the original thread.
So what is your question?
HAhahahaha You didn’t answer a single question in the original thread and that’s why your post is in this thread.
Thanks for confirming the reason for me moving your post…
[QUOTE=It is Fake;2728976]Yes, and it doesn’t make your assessment correct. Nor does it apply to the original thread.
HAhahahaha You didn’t answer a single question in the original thread and that’s why your post is in this thread.
Thanks for confirming the reason for me moving your post…[/QUOTE]
you are funny
[QUOTE=leifeng;2728977]you are funny[/QUOTE]Yes, and you can’t answer questions.
[QUOTE=It is Fake;2728979]Yes, and you can’t answer questions.[/QUOTE]
and you don’t know how to ask questions.
[QUOTE=leifeng;2728980]and you don’t know how to ask questions.[/QUOTE]
Okay dipshit let’s try this again. Here is the original post that started this derail:[QUOTE=Anjin;2727781]So, what do you think? Are Qigong and Neigong important to martial arts practice? How do you conceptualize these concepts; for example, do you see it as ancient nomenclature for things that can be correlated/explained with modern physiology or medicine? Or do you view them as metaphysical, objectively incorrect practices. If you do believe in their worth, how much time/focus do you place on these things?
Sorry if this starts a huge debate on things that people often consider bullshit, but I’d like to hear perspectives from senior members of the board.[/QUOTE]
You are now the second responder that posted a response, that HAD NOTHING to do with, nor did it answer, any of those questions. I informed you of why your post was moved and your general asshattery. The best you could do was “Durr I don’t get your question.”
I never asked you a question dumbass.
Okay dipshit let’s try this again.
OK fake. Please read this and tell me why you think the answer is not related to the question.
[QUOTE=It is Fake;2729079]So, what do you think? Are Qigong and Neigong important to martial arts practice? How do you conceptualize these concepts; [/QUOTE]
For internal martial arts (and to various degrees for external MA) cultivating and learning to use qi is essential for things like shenfa and fajin. Without neigong these styles are just empty shells which makes learning them a big waste of time and it would be better to train something normal like kickboxing instead which is better for fighting with muscle power.
The OP wants to know our personal opinions and in my reply I clearly wrote my opinion about how important neigong is for IMA.
I never asked you a question dumbass.
In fact the answer is so clear that when I read your post I assumed you had some hidden questions in your imagination that you forgot to ask.
First off, learn how to quote, I never wrote those questions. You defined what you think it is, which he never asked, and then never answered his question. No, your post isn’t answering his questions, it is giving your personal critique of what you think IMA should contain. It’s funny how someone can ask specific questions and people want to rant.
Go on do what you do just not in the original thread,
People learn all of these styles without neigong and Qigong. No, they aren’t empty shells. That’s like saying boxing can’t work without jumping rope or pushups.
He asked you specific question and never said define what Qigong and neigong is in his OP. The answer was so clear, you needed to create an imaginary lecture? LOL.
[QUOTE=It is Fake;2729235]First off, learn how to quote, I never wrote those questions. You defined what you think it is, which he never asked, and then never answered his question. No, your post isn’t answering his questions, it is giving your personal critique of what you think IMA should contain. It’s funny how someone can ask specific questions and people want to rant.
Go on do what you do just not in the original thread,
People learn all of these styles without neigong and Qigong. No, they aren’t empty shells. That’s like saying boxing can’t work without jumping rope or pushups.
He asked you specific question and never said define what Qigong and neigong is in his OP. The answer was so clear, you needed to create an imaginary lecture? LOL.[/QUOTE]
You know very well that the answer is related to the OP but you have personal issues with the empty shell part. In Chinese we say “练武不练功，到老一场空” and I didn’t make up the “empty” part. Also I don’t think I need to give you a lecture on the 6 harmonies which is the most important principle in the definition of IMA and without it we can’t call them IMA at all. Neigong has always been an important part of the training for IMA unless the teacher is not qualified or for some reasons doesn’t want to teach it. In most IMA styles the moves or forms were also designed to help with cultivating qi to some extent if done properly so I don’t see how anyone could learn or practice any of them without experiencing some neigong.
[QUOTE=leifeng;2729275]You know very well that the answer is related to the OP but you have personal issues with the empty shell part.[/quote] No, you answered none of his questions and continue to rant. Your personal issue is me belittling your training, in that weird head of yours. So, go ahead assume you know what I am thinking. It is obvious that you have a head full of steam and you are going to plow ahead being “RIGHT.” Yes, “right” is in quotes because it is SARCASM.
In Chinese we say “练武不练功，到老一场空” and I didn’t make up the “empty” part.
No one asked about empty that’s you trying to lecture again. You want to derail? Go ahead, but trying to say " yes I was answering the topic" is a load of shit."
Also I don’t think I need to give you a lecture on the 6 harmonies which is the most important principle in the definition of IMA and without it we can’t call them IMA at all.
Logical fallacy It has already been established that Chi, 6 harmonies and other “qigong” related exercises have no standard definition. So, you can try, but it won’t work…
Neigong has always been an important part of the training for IMA unless the teacher is not qualified or for some reasons doesn’t want to teach it.
Wrong…
In most IMA styles the moves or forms were also designed to help with cultivating qi to some extent if done properly so I don’t see how anyone could learn or practice any of them without experiencing some neigong.
Funny how there is PROOF that all of this esoteric BS, you are now spewing, came long after many of these styles were created.
I can fart in the Eight Directions.