Idiots, Walls of Texts, Shaoling Weight Training and Retarded Posting Automata Theory

Reviews, Videos, and Everything Else Trollshido
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I know many of you will think I’m nuts because of the title I have chosen for this thread, but bear with me for a minute or two. Most of the material published and on video related to weight training for martial artists is either rehashed powerlifting or bodybuilding routines splashed with a lot of bio-mechanical and arcane “nutritional nonsence.”

First of all, who has the time to go through 4-6 bodybuilding or powerlifting routines while seriously training in martial arts AND living a real life? Secondly, who can afford all of the “supplements” ( and that includes all of the drugs most lifters take like vitamins or candy ) that the so-called “champs” tell you are necessary for maximum results? Third, who actually wants to look like a bloated but cut version of Bolo anyway?

I have been lifting weights since the early sixties ( in conjunction with boxing, martial arts, and competitive sports “back in the day”…60’s ), and I can tell you first hand that YES weight training is a magnificent supplement to martial arts training, but not the weight training that you see in the magazines, books, and videos then ( 50’s, 60’s, 70’s ) or now. the truth is a hard pill to swallow ( and those who embark on all of the training craziness suggested in muscle mags, weight training books, and associated nonsense usually end up taking a lot of pills and getting a lot of injections…sic ), but there are sensible approaches to weight training for martial arts that will not destroy your joints, tear your muscles, or make you a cripple before you are 40.

The truth about weight training for martial artists was bent out of shape early on in the sixties and early seventies when Ron Marchini’s book on the subject became a best seller for Ohara books. Then things got worse in the late seventies and eighties when the muscle building approaches used by Bruce Lee were revealed, outlined, and taken for gospel. So, it is little wonder that today’s muscular martial arts marvels are usually the result of pharmaceutical alchemy and gross overtraining.

No one knows how to do weight training for martial arts or combative sports because few, if any, ever learned the real basics in the first place. And as far as nutrition goes, why is it that gym rats who couldn’t pass a high school chemistry class test if you gave them a cheat sheet in advance are suddenly experts on nutritional science AND pharmaceutical science as well? And what about all those “Personal Trainers” trolling around with PT certificates, but no physique, no strength, no deep knowledge, and no actual long term experience ( yeah, I know, personal trainers are business people, not muscle or power people ). Look at the cast of clown who are on Oprah Winfrey’s training and eating board…she keeps losing, gaining, losing, gaining, and her employees keep cashing checks!

There is a better way. If anyone is interested in a few key concepts, reply to this opening volley and I will enlighten you. Understand though that while what I will suggest WORKS FOR ANYBODY, it is in certain respects so diametrically opposite from what you have been indoctrinated to believe, that it will seem UNBELIEVABLE. Hey, it is possible to gain 50-80 pounds ( or more! ) of muscle mass in a single year WITHOUT spending much time in a health club, without having to struggle and strain with humongous weights, without having to ingest more than an inexpensive one-a-day vitamin pill, and without having to resort to experimenting with potentially dangerous growth drugs. And you don’t have to be a sucker for things like super-slow training, kettlebell training, etc.

Unless you are a teenager with lots of time to spend doing endless muscle pumping ( …and screaming on occasion like “Ah-Nold” so humorously suggested to the young moron in Pumping Iron ), why would any sane person want to spend more than a few hours max in a health club ( unless, of course, you want to pick up some babes…heh, heh, heh )?

Fellas, there are better ways to spend your valuable training time. I will drop some of that knowledge on you as this thread evolves…IF it evolves.

P.S. A bit of insider info on musclemen as “fighters:”-Arnold S. was never much of a streetfighter. Sergio Oliva, on the other hand was one hell of a streetfighter. Oliva had a lot of gutter fight experience while growing up in Castro’s Cu-ba! I saw that skill with my own eyes here in the Windy City circa 1966. Talk about moving like a flash and punching like a sledge hammer…whew, Sergio was not a dude to be messed with. He had a out of this world physique, superhuman strength, and some extensive back alley knowledge.

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You are likely about to get e-raped and I for one will be enjoying the show.

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Wrong forum…check.

Wall of text for 1st post…check.

Taking on the position of expert in a thinly veiled marketing ploy…check.

GTFO noob.

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Is it just me, or does this sound like a relatively standard kickoff to a marketing scheme? No solid info given, only claims made, “but only if you ask”.

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long “body building routines” are for newbs anyway

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Wow, custom spam. Gotta admire the work ethic.

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[quote=HerbA;2089539]I know many of you will think I’m nuts because of the title I have chosen for this thread, but bear with me for a minute or two. Most of the material published and on video related to weight training for martial artists is either rehashed powerlifting or bodybuilding routines splashed with a lot of bio-mechanical and arcane “nutritional nonsence.”

First of all, who has the time to go through 4-6 bodybuilding or powerlifting routines while seriously training in martial arts AND living a real life? Secondly, who can afford all of the “supplements” ( and that includes all of the drugs most lifters take like vitamins or candy ) that the so-called “champs” tell you are necessary for maximum results? Third, who actually wants to look like a bloated but cut version of Bolo anyway?[/quote]

Bodybuilding and bodybuilding style routines are not for athletes. They’re for people who want to look big.

[quote=HerbA;2089539]

I have been lifting weights since the early sixties ( in conjunction with boxing, martial arts, and competitive sports “back in the day”…60’s ), and I can tell you first hand that YES weight training is a magnificent supplement to martial arts training, but not the weight training that you see in the magazines, books, and videos then ( 50’s, 60’s, 70’s ) or now. [/quote]

Which books and magazines? [quote=HerbA;2089539]
, but there are sensible approaches to weight training for martial arts that will not destroy your joints, tear your muscles, or make you a cripple before you are 40.[/quote]

Headdesk

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No one knows how to do weight training for martial arts or combative sports because few, if any, ever learned the real basics in the first place. [/quote]

No one knows how to develop speed power and endurance? The world is full of entire institutions devoted to developing them. Australian institute of sports, American Olympic Training centre, every single fucking university with sports teams and a strength and conditioning coach.

Straw man.

[quote=HerbA;2089539]
There is a better way. If anyone is interested in a few key concepts, reply to this opening volley and I will enlighten you. Understand though that while what I will suggest WORKS FOR ANYBODY, it is in certain respects so diametrically opposite from what you have been indoctrinated to believe, that it will seem UNBELIEVABLE. [/quote]

Why the fuck did I just do a point by point refutation of a spam message?

Improving any physical attribute takes LOTS OF HARD WORK. If it wasn’t hard there would be no stress on your body and therefore no growth stimulus. And there’s so much more to strength than just muscle mass. There’s innervation, muscular efficiency, intra muscular coordination, fiber type.

[quote=HerbA;2089539]
P.S. A bit of insider info on musclemen as “fighters:”-Arnold S. was never much of a streetfighter. [/quote]

Oh look it’s the same straw man. Arnold was a bodybuilder. He trained to be big and look good in a speedo. He never pretended to be anything else.

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You know what most of my annoyance is caused by your disingenuous thread title. Just because lots of people are doing it wrong doesn’t mean that when done properly it isn’t a good thing.

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Did you post in MABS because you know you’re peddling bullshit?

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This is going to be so awesome. It’ll be the Foom Foom Foom of weight lifting.

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Nah, I’m not marketing anything. The problem with a lot of people is that they assume the worst before they let a story play out. I intend to lay out some ideas that will start one or two folks to actually THINK before they leap into “mindless” weight training. If I wanted to market somethin, I wouldn’t waste my time posting on the Bullshido.Com forum. I would be hard at work creating a sell, sell, sell website.

The truth is that I have no interest in selling anything to anyone in the martial arts community. I would like to throw in my two cents worth about things that I have experienced in 40+ years in the martial arts and physical culture game. I was under the impression that perhaps one or two individuals would ask a question or two that would lead me to expound a bit on the answer they needed. If some wet behind the ears, blinder wearing, knucklehead thinks I am “full of it” BEFORE they use their tiny little brain to formulate a question or two…what am I supposed to do…stay online until someone puts together an intelligent inquiry…for example…WHAT ABOUT SQUATTING FOR STRENGTH, POWER, AND WEIGHT GAINS? I would answer that while the general consensus is that squats are considered the KING of the weight training exercises, it is possible to get everything you want from non-maximum squatting ( which means you won’t have to worry about ruptured discs, hernias, or training partners who turn into screaming ( at you ) banshees everytime you walk near a squat rack. When I have a few minutes free tomorrow or the day after, I will outline a simple method for getting incredible results from what most would consider almost “non-squatting.” And, it won’t cost you or anyone else on this forum one thin dime. Nor will any of the other “tips” I will give on martial arts or adjunctory training in the future.

What I will say here and now is that if you take what I tell you and put it into practice, you will note your strength, fitness, and, if wanted, muscle mass changing progressively right before your eyes. That means you can spend even more time practicing your martial arts skills.

Of course there will be the naysayers who will reject ANYTHING I suggest simply because they believe that they are either the biggest mouth on the forum, or they think they already know all there is to know about whatever it is ANYONE HAS TO SAY.

Do I know what I’m talking about? I wrote a book on this particular subject many years ago, and a fellow named Jesse Glover was kind enough to write an interesting forward in the book about me, my training methods, and even my martial arts skills. Nah, you can’t find copies of the book because I only sold copies to my personal students…and I have no intention of printing copies for this generation of martial artists who are of the opinion that everything and everyone that they don’t know is either a liar or a fraud from the get go.

I think the USMC gets it about right when they say, “EARS OPEN, EYEBALLS CLICK!”

I will drop some knowledge for the astute on some subject or other in a day or two…absolutely FREE and without hooks. Seeing will be believing, eh! Those who will try to flame me out of hand without listening first to what I have to say are simply fools.

Semper Fi

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People are flaming you not because of what you’ve said but because you haven’t said anything yet.

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Wait… There’s such a thing as over-training?

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[quote=bitchslapper;2089586]Bodybuilding and bodybuilding style routines are not for athletes. They’re for people who want to look big.

Which books and magazines?

Headdesk

No one knows how to develop speed power and endurance? The world is full of entire institutions devoted to developing them. Australian institute of sports, American Olympic Training centre, every single fucking university with sports teams and a strength and conditioning coach.

Straw man.

Why the fuck did I just do a point by point refutation of a spam message?

Improving any physical attribute takes LOTS OF HARD WORK. If it wasn’t hard there would be no stress on your body and therefore no growth stimulus. And there’s so much more to strength than just muscle mass. There’s innervation, muscular efficiency, intra muscular coordination, fiber type.

Oh look it’s the same straw man. Arnold was a bodybuilder. He trained to be big and look good in a speedo. He never pretended to be anything else.[/quote]

I have been employed as a strength and conditioning coach at a mid-major midwest University. I have worked with members of the 85 chicago Bears, a handful of Chicago Blackhawks, some of the Chicago Cubs, USA Olympic Womens Volleyball team members, etc. I taught at the high school and university level for many years. I am not thickheaded enough to believe that there are not incredible examples of super-human speed and conditioning out there in the athletic world, but unlike you, my negative minded from the get go friend, I learned long ago that most of the champions in sport who are acknowledged to have spent a lot of time in the weight room would have been champions WITHOUT weight training per se. I learned that clearly in 1975 when I was sitting in the USC weight room chatting with All-American Defensive End ( and eventual NFL great with the NY Jets ) Gary Jeter, when Gary pointed at one of his teammates who had 225 on the bench press bar and proceeded to pump out twelve easy reps with one hand near the inside collar of the bar on one side, and the other hand seven or eight inches inward from the other inside collar area. Gary told me that that fellow, like most of the players hated weight training…they just wanted to play football. Hmmmph! And if you think that is neither here nor there, someday grab a copy of the book titled THE HERSCHEL WALKER WORKOUT in which you will see exactly how Herschel trained and eventually won the Heisman Trophy along the way to a hall of fame career with the Dallas Cowboys. Hershel never touched a barbell until he got to the pros, and even then he chucked the iron because it "didn’t feel natural. Dick Butkus never did weight training until long after his career ended ( Arthur Jones of Nautilus fame got him into it ). All of that bullshit you tack on at the end ( innervation, muscular efficiency, intra muscular coordination, fiber type ) is theoretical and conceptual information that is great to know in order to work toward a Masters or PhD in HPER or exercise physiology, but the simple truth is that an athlete doesn’t need to know any of that in order to make the gains desired.

Yeah, it takes a lot of HARD WORK! What doesn’t if you seek to excel? My point is that perhaps a lot of people have been working HARD at the WRONG THINGS IN THE GYM. And it was my intention to point out those possibilities of error to anyone with a few functioning brain cells. You my friend already know it ALL, despite not having the intelligence to structure and state a logical and sensible QUESTION. Some people learn the basics in their early educational experiences. Some lurch forward, knuckles dragging proudly, throughout a lifetime.

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I think you should take a look at the PT forum. We’re not total dopes on this site, most of us know the difference between body-building and functional weight training.

Maybe you might have something to add to what’s being discussed, but you’re not going to blow any minds.

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So why all this talk, talk talk. Post your theory, then lets discuss. So far you haven’t told us anything other than that you are going to say something one day. So far…thanks for nothing.

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Okay, I’ll bite and ask a training related question so you can “drop some knowledge” on us.

What do you think of the Stronglifts 5x5 program (stronglifts.com)? A lot of people here, myself included, have used this program at one time or another to get results. Most people would agree that it is a good fit with combat sports and helps builds a strong core of functional muscle for grappling, boxing, MMA etc. It doesn’t require hours at the gym and is a decent anaerobic workout as well.

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Moved to the PT forum, Macho can decide if he wants to Trollshido it. Someone should have reported this.

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So you actually going to tell us something or just do this marketing thing?

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Why do I have this weird feeling like Macho is going to flush this thread?

He has only said about 40 times how much he hates that initial wall of text…