Thanks for the answer. I’m still fuzzy on this whole Reputation thing, but you get some.
*Miu Hin? Same guy? Escaped with him, etc? I thought they were related by blood. Myth also holds he was killed by 2 guys ~ tiger and crane stylists.
Elements? Red = Fire
Wong Long and Bak Mei could have been contemporaries.
Which explains the white eyebrow/dragon mix I’ve come across. :5dragon:
*Beware! CMA history always uncertain.
Ah … that would be in the H’ung Ga oral history (myth).
Elements? Red = Fire
Good … and what more can you extract from this association with regard to how the hand plays?
Wong Long and Bak Mei could have been contemporaries.
Yepper
Which explains the white eyebrow/dragon mix I’ve come across.
Good once again … Congrats!
*Beware! CMA history always uncertain.
I prefer “… always encoded by way of poetic form.”
Hmmm. I could only guess. I’ve learned some red dragon, but that’s my only exposure to the fire element. The hand techniques are all fast, sometimes big, sometimes small.
Ditto … I think it translates loosely as credibility … but I could be wrong.
… but you get some.
Thanks … any idea what I’m suppose to “do” with it?
Bak Mei
Every version of the history I have read has stated that Bak Mei lived into old age…
A lot of different views out there.
Dude, don’t do that … think.
The Element approach plays in both the tactical and the technical realms.
I’ll point you in the right direction … let’s see how far you go with it:
Fire consumes what?
This “what” comes from what?
What are the supporting features of the “what”?
That tells you something about our structure and it’s readily seen in our Sets.
What?
My guess would be fire consumes wood. Wood comes from earth. The supporting features of which are root, presumambly your structures are rooted and that’s shown in your sets. I could be way off though 
Sure … most of “those” stories can be traced back to Cheung Lai Chun’s peeps.
Interesting … to me … that Luo Rong Qiang’s Father was a Hung Gar Sifu. Entirely different take on things … either way … lot’s of common ground.
I long ago laid to rest the HG vs. BM disputes of old. I think many of us that threw down in the streets of NYC Chinatown during the mid-1970s to late 1980s have come to the same conclusion. Namely, it’s just a story and hardly reason for all the blood shed and bad feelings.
Very good … you skipped an intermediate piece … wood comes from trees and trees are attached to the Earth by way of root(s). Keep going …
Yeah, I skipped it because I believed it to be implied. We really have to go back to the color issue here before we get too side-tracked (as that was the original point). So we know that red == fire. It would be best to clarify what white is equivilent to (metal).
So the logical progression from what I can tell (or at least guess) is as follows: Fire consumes wood which comes from trees and is nurtured and rooted in the earth. Likewise metal is mined from the earth…? I just can’t seem to make the connection between the elements and the reputation of the two monks…
Sir Bedevere: There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
Peasant 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us.
Sir Bedevere: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
Peasant 1: Burn them.
Sir Bedevere: And what do you burn, apart from witches?
Peasant 1: More witches.
Peasant 2: Wood.
Sir Bedevere: Good. Now, why do witches burn?
Peasant 3: …because they’re made of… wood?
Sir Bedevere: Good. So how do you tell whether she is made of wood?
Peasant 1: Build a bridge out of her.
Sir Bedevere: But can you not also build bridges out of stone?
Peasant 1: Oh yeah.
Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water?
Peasant 1: No, no, it floats!.. It floats! Throw her into the pond!
Sir Bedevere: No, no. What else floats in water?
Peasant 1: Bread.
Peasant 2: Apples.
Peasant 3: Very small rocks.
Peasant 1: Cider.
Peasant 2: Gravy.
Peasant 3: Cherries.
Peasant 1: Mud.
Peasant 2: Churches.
Peasant 3: Lead! Lead!
King Arthur: A Duck.
Sir Bedevere: …Exactly. So, logically…
Peasant 1: If she weighed the same as a duck… she’s made of wood.
Sir Bedevere: And therefore…
Peasant 2: …A witch!
That is seriously one of the most random and weird movie dialogues I have ever heard.
PL
I know this is a serious historical debate, but on the topic of wood:
edit: SIZZLER BEAT ME TO IT DAMIT!!!
Tomas
[size=+1]BEDEVERE:[/size]
[size=+1] Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.[/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #1:[/size]
[size=+1] Are there?[/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #2:[/size]
[size=+1] Ah?[/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #1:[/size]
[size=+1] What are they?[/size]
[size=+1]CROWD:[/size]
[size=+1] Tell us! Tell us!..[/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #2:[/size]
[size=+1] Do they hurt?[/size]
[size=+1]BEDEVERE:[/size]
[size=+1] Tell me. What do you do with witches?[/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #2:[/size]
[size=+1] Burn![/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #1:[/size]
[size=+1] Burn![/size]
[size=+1]CROWD:[/size]
[size=+1] Burn! Burn them up! Burn!..[/size]
[size=+1]BEDEVERE:[/size]
[size=+1] And what do you burn apart from witches?[/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #1:[/size]
[size=+1] More witches![/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #3:[/size]
[size=+1] Shh![/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #2:[/size]
[size=+1] Wood![/size]
[size=+1]BEDEVERE:[/size]
[size=+1] So, why do witches burn?[/size]
[size=+1] [pause][/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #3:[/size]
[size=+1] B–… 'cause they’re made of… wood?[/size]
[size=+1]BEDEVERE:[/size]
[size=+1] Good! Heh heh.[/size]
[size=+1]CROWD:[/size]
[size=+1] Oh, yeah. Oh.[/size]
[size=+1]BEDEVERE:[/size]
[size=+1] So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?[/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #1:[/size]
[size=+1] Build a bridge out of her.[/size]
[size=+1]BEDEVERE:[/size]
[size=+1] Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?[/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #1:[/size]
[size=+1] Oh, yeah.[/size]
[size=+1]RANDOM:[/size]
[size=+1] Oh, yeah. True. Uhh…[/size]
[size=+1]BEDEVERE:[/size]
[size=+1] Does wood sink in water?[/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #1:[/size]
[size=+1] No. No.[/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #2:[/size]
[size=+1] No, it floats! It floats![/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #1:[/size]
[size=+1] Throw her into the pond![/size]
[size=+1]CROWD:[/size]
[size=+1] The pond! Throw her into the pond![/size]
[size=+1]BEDEVERE:[/size]
[size=+1] What also floats in water?[/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #1:[/size]
[size=+1] Bread![/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #2:[/size]
[size=+1] Apples![/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #3:[/size]
[size=+1] Uh, very small rocks![/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #1:[/size]
[size=+1] Cider![/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #2:[/size]
[size=+1] Uh, gra-- gravy![/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #1:[/size]
[size=+1] Cherries![/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #2:[/size]
[size=+1] Mud![/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #3:[/size]
[size=+1] Uh, churches! Churches![/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #2:[/size]
[size=+1] Lead! Lead![/size]
[size=+1]ARTHUR:[/size]
[size=+1] A duck![/size]
[size=+1]CROWD:[/size]
[size=+1] Oooh.[/size]
[size=+1]BEDEVERE:[/size]
[size=+1] Exactly. So, logically…[/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #1:[/size]
[size=+1] If… she… weighs… the same as a duck,… she’s made of wood.[/size]
[size=+1]BEDEVERE:[/size]
[size=+1] And therefore?[/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #2:[/size]
[size=+1] A witch![/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #1:[/size]
[size=+1] A witch![/size]
[size=+1]CROWD:[/size]
[size=+1] A witch! A witch!..[/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #4:[/size]
[size=+1] Here is a duck. Use this duck.[/size]
[size=+1] [quack quack quack][/size]
[size=+1]BEDEVERE:[/size]
[size=+1] Very good. We shall use my largest scales.[/size]
[size=+1]CROWD:[/size]
[size=+1] Ohh! Ohh! Burn the witch! Burn the witch! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Ahh! Ahh…[/size]
[size=+1]BEDEVERE:[/size]
[size=+1] Right. Remove the supports![/size]
[size=+1] [whop][/size]
[size=+1] [clunk][/size]
[size=+1] [creak][/size]
[size=+1]CROWD:[/size]
[size=+1] A witch! A witch! A witch![/size]
[size=+1]WITCH:[/size]
[size=+1] It’s a fair cop.[/size]
[size=+1]VILLAGER #3:[/size]
[size=+1] Burn her![/size]
[size=+1]CROWD:[/size]
[size=+1] Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn! Burn!..[/size]
[size=+1]BEDEVERE:[/size]
[size=+1] Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?[/size]
[size=+1]ARTHUR:[/size]
[size=+1] I am Arthur, King of the Britons.
[/size]
The versions I have come across have him losing in combat.
As Samfoo already stated, Fire consumes wood, it changes metal (gold?). Wood (brown?) is rooted in the earth (green). Supporting features of the “Wood” element? I don’t know.
And thinking more about my limited red dragon experience, I have a few slow movements, but I can’t really see what the fire influence would be, since I am preoccupied with the dragon movement.
Ah well … it was good to see some movement even if short lived.
Here’s a n00b’s input… Red = Fire, in five element theory fire doesn’t really destroy wood, it’s generated from it. Fire actually destroys metal (White) . Fire’s attributes are quick, agressive, and explosive and I believe there’s some idea of fire trapping things near it. Though I might be wrong.
So, Hakka Tong Long is likely very aggressive and explosive, probably with a fair amount of trapping?
Do I get a rpize if I’m right? Or do I just get told to STFU?
http://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/5EBasic.htm
The affinity relationship means supporting, helping, producing, etc.
* Water can help tree (Wood) grow.
* Wood can help Fire to burn.
* Fire can help to produce dust (Earth).
* Earth can help mineral (Metal) to form.
* Metal can hold Water.
We can say that :-
* Water is the supporting element of Wood. Wood can release the power of Water.
* Wood is the supporting element of Fire. Fire can release the power of Wood.
* Fire is the supporting element of Earth. Earth can release the power of Fire.
* Earth is the supporting element of Metal. Metal can release the power of Earth.
* Metal is the supporting element of Water. Water can release the power of Metal.
The enmity relationship means fighting, conflicting, rejecting, etc.
* Water can extinguish Fire, but Fire might evaporate Water.
* Wood can break the ground (Earth), but Earth can buries Wood too.
* Fire can melt Metal, but Metal might not melt before Fire is extinguished.
* Earth can absorb Water, but Water can cover the land (Earth).
* Metal can cut Wood, but Metal might become dull before breaking Wood.
We can say that :-
* Water and Fire are enemies. Water overwhelms the movement of Fire.
* Wood and Earth are enemies. Wood overwhelms the movement of Earth.
* Fire and Metal are enemies. Fire overwhelms the movement of Metal.
* Earth and Water are enemies. Earth overwhelms the movement of Water.
* Metal and Wood are enemies. Metal overwhelms the movement of Wood.