[QUOTE=W. Rabbit;3061195]LOL, “baseless”. I’m far more based than you, here and in the real world.[/QUOTE]
Watching you try to use slang you don’t grok is impressively cringey.
[QUOTE=gregaquaman;3061105]Arguing against people who have the training but no practical experience.
We generally call them Aikido black belts.[/QUOTE]1.) I have both training and experience treating traumatic injuries with an IFAK equipped with the typical TCCC recommended loadout. Any civilian kit you buy is going to be setup along those guidelines. Most will likely use literally the exact same stuff from the same companies, just in a different package. Common examples can be found from North American Rescue, Dark Angel Medical, Blue Force Gear, etc. These are all setup with the same stuff from the same companies because TCCC acceptance is rare, and military TCCC TTPs are generally consistent across services. This isn’t some magical thing we are talking about here. These are well established standards that haven’t changed a ton in the 13 or so years I’ve been training and occasionally applying them.
2.) I’m one of a few posters left on the forums who replied to you in that body cam thread from 9+ years ago that you are whining about. Please point to where I was disrespectful to you, or did anything other than point out that bodycams can be a double edged sword. Additionally you wanted to buy cheap eBay cameras. Not like we were discussing getting a cloud enabled taser bodycam subscription service for your company.
3.) You either came into the thread I pulled these comments from looking for a fight or have the worst tone ever. Additionally you, among several others, were why I moved IIF’s recent thread out of the Armory and into General Discussion. So it is not as though I don’t have a recent history to draw on here. I took your tone in that thread into account when deciding whether or not to do anything about these posts. Given your immature reaction and obvious displayed ignorance on the subject, it appears to have been the correct choice.
4.) Regardless of all that, you are still more than welcome to participate in Armory discussions.
[QUOTE=AprilRains;3061196]Watching you try to use slang you don’t grok is impressively cringey.[/QUOTE]
Coming from someone who once claimed they hunt for “tard cum”, I’ll take that as a compliment.
[QUOTE=gregaquaman;3061105]Arguing against people who have the training but no practical experience.
We generally call them Aikido black belts.[/QUOTE]
Aikido black belts usually have beautiful and often effective falling skills (ukemi).
People who sit on the couch and run their mouths after googling shit have no practical skills.
You seem rather like the second, rather than the first, when it comes to topics such as firearms, trauma care, etc, etc.
[QUOTE=gregaquaman;3061063]Which is what I recommended and what got me here in the first place.
Sorry but I am starting to think that sub forum is a bit of a shit show to be honest.[/QUOTE]
In general, you won’t need a trauma kit, or even a tourniquet for two drunk guys who had a punch out. Maybe if a knife comes out and somebody gets stabbed or slashed.
Or maybe if you try to help out at an auto or industrial accident.
Or crocodile attack, maybe…
[QUOTE=gregaquaman;3061065]Thank fuck for that.
What brand did they recommend?[/QUOTE]
I suggest you get in touch with such professionals in your own country about brands and equipment, and get the training yourself. There are different levels of training. I’ve had the basic version, not the full-on stuff. It’s fairly simple at basic level.
[QUOTE=W. Rabbit;3061084]Good, when the apocalypse hits and you head east to New Jersey, all that extra belly fat will be useful when passing through the Rockies.
Assuming of course, you don’t get eaten by bears or people along the way.[/QUOTE]
He will have plenty of fresh meat, considering how many people he will have to shoot just to get out of the PRP alive.
Might make it to the Great American Redoubt, if he is with a team of like-minded individuals.
[QUOTE=ghost55;3061107]If their training came from a reputable source that’s good enough. You can get a fuckload.of medical training, but short of volunteering as a firefighter or seeking employment in EMS you will never use it more than a handful of times as a part of normal civilian life unless you work in an industry with a very high injury rate or you are intensely unlucky. Trauma care isn’t like judo or some shit. You can’t go to your local EMS dojo and stabilize open fractures for a few hours every week. That doesn’t make the training people receive any less useful or legitimate.[/QUOTE]
They have dummies (as in programmable mannequins) to train on, is my understanding. Stress inoculation is part of the training as well.
I mean, we had to put the damned tournies on in the dark, with 20 people in a small room, with guys running around yelling and turning flashlights on and off. Multiple times, on different limbs, on ourselves, and a training partner.
Those fuckers are painful as fuck, too, once, let alone 8 times in a row.
It’s not really rocket science, either. Put on the tourniquet, and then Find holes, and fill them with anticoagulant gauze etc. until you can’t stuff in any more.
[QUOTE=W. Rabbit;3061098]New Jersey is largely lush, volcanic mountain range with fresh spring waters and mineral rich farmland. There’s a reason it’s called the “Garden State”.
It’s also naturally fortified, which George Washington used to win the Revolution, largely by using New Jersey’s formidable mountain ranges which are perfect for long range scouting and building defensive encampments.
And post-apocalypse, the gun laws all go away anyway. Best of all, I know the Watchung Mountain Nike missile base bomb shelters and tunnel network by heart. I could probably navigate that shit in the dark if I had to.
We will be free to rule and maraud the entire East Coast from defensible positions ripe for farming. Or, you can go to the Amazonian jungles. Your call. Lots of bugs down there, you know.[/QUOTE]
Those are so me damned old volcanoes, LOL!
[QUOTE=lant3rn;3061258]You can make a improvised tourniquet from a triangle bandage and a strong stick or pen… it’s not as good as commercial but it can be a lot better than nothing; if the situation requires it.
Because of the serious possible complications from tourniquet use, it is important to know when to apply a tourniquet and when not too. That is why it is better for most people just too try and stop the bleeding with pressure and a fuckton on bandages/gauze and wait until a qualified person can assess the casualty; ie get any casualty to a doctor ASAP, waiting for emergency responders to arrive. Rather than applying one yourself if you are unsure if it is required.
The Red Cross often does training classes on causality care and assessment bi monthly in many places across NA. If people are interested.[/QUOTE]
Your info on tqs is outdated.
[QUOTE=W. Rabbit;3061098]New Jersey is largely lush, volcanic mountain range with fresh spring waters and mineral rich farmland. There’s a reason it’s called the “Garden State”.
It’s also naturally fortified, which George Washington used to win the Revolution, largely by using New Jersey’s formidable mountain ranges which are perfect for long range scouting and building defensive encampments.
And post-apocalypse, the gun laws all go away anyway. Best of all, I know the Watchung Mountain Nike missile base bomb shelters and tunnel network by heart. I could probably navigate that shit in the dark if I had to.
We will be free to rule and maraud the entire East Coast from defensible positions ripe for farming. Or, you can go to the Amazonian jungles. Your call. Lots of bugs down there, you know.[/QUOTE]
Not even a third of the state has mountains. The vast majority of the state was a sand bar 10,000yrs ago. You can dig up shark teeth in your back yard through most of the state. Half the state never rises more than 100’ above sea level. Dear God is there nothing you won’t exaggerate?
[QUOTE=BKR;3061260]Your info on tqs is outdated.[/QUOTE]
Well I have my refresher course in a month. But Im sure if I asked most people on the street to demonstrate how to use apply one they would do it wrong; usually by placing it too close to the wound, over a joint or not torquing it tight enough.
[QUOTE=lant3rn;3061265]Well I have my refresher course in a month. But Im sure if I asked most people on the street to demonstrate how to use apply one they would do it wrong; usually by placing it too close to the wound, over a joint or not torquing it tight enough.[/QUOTE]
You can leave them on for a long time. Better than bleeding out.
I know you work industrial, so I’m sure you are up on your first aid stuff. Level 3 ?
[QUOTE=BKR;3061269]You can leave them on for a long time. Better than bleeding out.
I know you work industrial, so I’m sure you are up on your first aid stuff. Level 3 ?[/QUOTE]
We don’t have number levels through my certification, I’m level C+, so cpr/ AED, first responder causality assessment and care and I’m trained in how to administer an IV and how to administer adrenaline injection or other drugs(at a doctors request and guidance)
[QUOTE=BKR;3061246]In general, you won’t need a trauma kit, or even a tourniquet for two drunk guys who had a punch out. Maybe if a knife comes out and somebody gets stabbed or slashed.
Or maybe if you try to help out at an auto or industrial accident.
Or crocodile attack, maybe…[/QUOTE]
Ok then who has used a trauma kit?
[QUOTE=Cassius;3061205]1.) I have both training and experience treating traumatic injuries with an IFAK equipped with the typical TCCC recommended loadout. Any civilian kit you buy is going to be setup along those guidelines. Most will likely use literally the exact same stuff from the same companies, just in a different package. Common examples can be found from North American Rescue, Dark Angel Medical, Blue Force Gear, etc. These are all setup with the same stuff from the same companies because TCCC acceptance is rare, and military TCCC TTPs are generally consistent across services. This isn’t some magical thing we are talking about here. These are well established standards that haven’t changed a ton in the 13 or so years I’ve been training and occasionally applying them.
2.) I’m one of a few posters left on the forums who replied to you in that body cam thread from 9+ years ago that you are whining about. Please point to where I was disrespectful to you, or did anything other than point out that bodycams can be a double edged sword. Additionally you wanted to buy cheap eBay cameras. Not like we were discussing getting a cloud enabled taser bodycam subscription service for your company.
3.) You either came into the thread I pulled these comments from looking for a fight or have the worst tone ever. Additionally you, among several others, were why I moved IIF’s recent thread out of the Armory and into General Discussion. So it is not as though I don’t have a recent history to draw on here. I took your tone in that thread into account when deciding whether or not to do anything about these posts. Given your immature reaction and obvious displayed ignorance on the subject, it appears to have been the correct choice.
4.) Regardless of all that, you are still more than welcome to participate in Armory discussions.[/QUOTE]
The thread I referenced was about people being experts on a subject they knew nothing about.
And wound up being wrong.
The other one. Gun control is contentious? wasn’t shifted on my account. So you can’t blame me for that.
And the Armory is almost unusable as a sub forum for that reason.
And bear in mind I have spent 20 years doing acertain aspects of what these guys are trying to achieve. And I am making it clear that I am commenting on the certain aspects I know and have used successfully.
I have obviously been trained in first aid because I needed that to be compliant. I have been trained in using tornaquets and artery pinching and the like.
But being trained isn’t having done it. And I made clear I haven’t used them and haven’t discounted anyone who has.
And having first aided serious assults while they are still occuring is a whole new mess of external factors. That a first aid course doesn’t really cover in my experience.
Maybe yours do. Maybe they produce competent first aiders who are trauma masters the first time they ever do it. I don’t know. But untill someone can show me that i am not sure how i can take it on the advice of experts. Sorry.
[QUOTE=gregaquaman;3061278]The thread I referenced was about people being experts on a subject they knew nothing about.
And wound up being wrong.
And the Armory is almost unusable as a sub forum for that reason.[/QUOTE]
And while we are on the subject. How do you speed up the response of a “suspicious guy” in a church if you are some civilian security team?
That was basically thrown out the window as well.
[QUOTE=gregaquaman;3061276]Ok then who has used a trauma kit?[/QUOTE]
I did when I was a tree surgeon. I was an army reservist at the time and kept a basic trauma kit in my bag and had basic level med training but it’s good enough for battlefield casualties and it worked a treat on a colleague who had put a saw in his wrist.
[QUOTE=Kovacs;3061285]I did when I was a tree surgeon.[/QUOTE]
For a moment, I thought you were going to say you had used one on a tree.
[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;3061261]Not even a third of the state has mountains. [/Quote]
Considering more than half the state is Appalachian range, I think you should actually look at a topographical map sometime before commenting on New Jersey’s many mountain ranges and get your head out of the Sandy, Mikey. My own backyard is Sourland, the Watchung range isn’t even on the map of the Delaware River gap you posted.
Seriously, you talk like you haven’t even seen half of Jersey, city boy.
https://traveltips.usatoday.com/important-mountains-new-jersey-58929.html