'Fighting can nurture the soul'

‘Fighting can nurture the soul - just ask Plato’
Damon Young, Sydney Morning Herald

[wleft]http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/DAYoung_2006/800px-Pankratiasten_in_fight_copy_of_greek_statue_3_century_bC-1.jpg[/wleft]Inside a caged boxing ring stands a well-built, tattooed young man, his body gleaming, skull shaven. His face and chest are streaming with fresh, bright blood. This is the Ultimate Fighting Championship in Sydney 2010 and the fans love it - more than 15,000 are screaming ringside, and millions are watching internationally on pay-per-view.

This year was the Australian debut of the championship, the most successful mixed martial arts prize fight. What began as an obscure American no-holds-barred competition in the 1990s has become a lucrative global sporting craze. Having waited years to see top fighters in the flesh, excited Sydneysiders savoured the full arsenal of martial arts: kicks, punches, knees, elbows, throws and chokes. Fallen fighters were mounted and punched. Cut combatants kept fighting and bleeding.

For many, it was a dark day. It confirmed their worst fears for our country: we are a violent, vulgar nation, slavering for savage sport.

Behind this anxiety is a simple idea: violence is always negative. It is anti-intellectual, uncivilised, coarse, and no civilised Australian could watch it, let alone participate in it.

This attitude is understandable, but mistaken. Violence can be both civilised and civilising. Obviously not Saturday night barbarism at the pub, or the stuff of criminal rage. But in the right school and style, martial arts can complement good character.

Take Plato. ‘‘Plato’’ was not actually his name. In ancient Greek, Platon meant ‘‘broad’’; Plato was the philosopher’s wrestling nickname. So, one of Western civilisation’s founding scholars was a martial artist. For all his love of ethereal beauty and truth, Plato was intimately familiar with gritty, bloody violence. Indeed, he recommended wrestling for the ‘‘masters and scholars’’ in his theoretical state.

This is a helpful reminder: fighting is not always the province of the dim-witted, vulgar yob. Screaming ultimate fight fans might look bloodthirsty, but the competitors can be restrained, thoughtful and courteous in daily life - chivalrous if not philosophical.

Plato’s esteem for wrestling flags a more important possibility: fighting arts can be edifying and illuminating. We need not automatically see all violence as negative: managed well, it can be a positive force.

For example, martial arts require reliable, robust co-operation. Because dangerous techniques are involved, teachers and partners must be trustworthy. In judo a sparring partner must release a lock when a player taps. In karate many are trained to pull their punches or withdraw after a strike. This is partly pragmatism: if everyone is injured no one can train. But it is also a lesson in the psychology of violence: we can be aggressive without hatred, brutal without cruelty.

This can reduce the paralysing panic of physical confrontation - fear remains, but it is kept in check, redirected. It can also buoy confidence in general: three rounds of wheezing, dukes up, makes public speaking look tame. More importantly, sparring can transform confrontation. It becomes an educational tool, not simply a weapon of selfish domination. We learn a lesson Plato and the Athenians knew well: competition need not entail malice. Violence can be comradely.

Studies cautiously confirm this. For example, respectful, safe martial arts schools can promote pro-social behaviour - higher belt rank correlates with lower overall aggression.

This requires another virtue, discipline: we control our darker urges, instead of being controlled by them. We abide by rules, follow etiquette, manage impulses. And we do so in taxing circumstances - precisely when we would normally be doing our block. So the martial arts can be training in restraint. Indeed, I see more ill-feeling and pettiness in newspaper commentary or literary criticism than I ever did in karate.

I also mention patience, respect and concentration - all are required to excel in the fighting arts, and all can contribute to successful schooling, professional life and marriage.

Of course, not all martial arts are equally healthy. Research reveals that the character of the teacher and school is important: the more vicious gyms or coaches can encourage anti-social behaviour. And some styles or organisations are cultish, promoting muddled thinking, blind obedience or dangerous overconfidence.

But at their best, the martial arts can exemplify healthy, contained violence. To the uninitiated they seem thuggish and anti-intellectual, but they can be edifying. More than two millenniums since Plato wrestled, we are still grappling with arms and minds - and are healthier for it.

Dr Damon Young is a philosopher and the editor of Martial Arts and Philosophy: Beating and Nothingness.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/fighting-can-nurture-the-soul--just-ask-plato-20101126-18aju.html

I am definitely going to pick up that book.

Very glad to hear it, Mr Rabbit.

I’m surprised this thread’s so slow. Often the press is negative on MMA and martial arts…

I am glad he brought out the greek competitive classical comparison. The usual historical comparison is gladiators which is a bad analogy for many reasons.

Ditto what he said, I am picking that book up as of next week.

I actually was interested in the response from Australians reading the other site. Curious to see what the response to that argument is from people who don’t take it for granted.

Hail, Kano, those who’re about to ippon salute you.

Awesome. And you can always write a few words about it here - feedback on the book, I mean.

Lampa, the Herald didn’t have comments on this one.

But you can get a sense of Australians’ attitudes from the comments here: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/forget-the-cheap-shots-cage-fighting-is-a-virtuous-sport-20100411-s0ot.html

These are from a different state (Victoria rather than New South Wales), but I doubt there’s terribly much difference. (Although NSW sanctions ‘cage fighting’, whereas Victoria doesn’t.)

[quote=DAYoung;2473611]Lampa, the Herald didn’t have comments on this one.

But you can get a sense of Australians’ attitudes from the comments here: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/forget-the-cheap-shots-cage-fighting-is-a-virtuous-sport-20100411-s0ot.html

These are from a different state (Victoria rather than New South Wales), but I doubt there’s terribly much difference. (Although NSW sanctions ‘cage fighting’, whereas Victoria doesn’t.)[/quote]

I had actually seen that when you posted it. I follow people who write about MMA as religiously as I follow the actual sport. My interest was with the reaction this particular argument with a classical spin. Have you gotten any feedback from non martial artists? I understand people are less likely to say something with comments disabled. I’m just curious.

Added the book to my holiday wishlist…

No, no feedback. I’m not sure why. Having the comments disabled certainly explains part of it - less opportunity to rant thoughtlessly.

But usually I get the odd grumpy email. Nothing this time. I can only guess it’s because it was published in print, but less prominently online (i.e. bumped by other daily online-only opinion pieces). Perhaps online folk are more likely to email.

Grasping at straws here.

Cool. Hope your friends hit the ‘buy’ button.

This is an insult to idiot fighters like me. I don’t want to branded as a nerd!!

Okay sounds good, will do. Looking forward to reading it.

Your grammar is above average. You understand irony.

NERD.

I’m going to share with you guys one of the reasons why I’m such a big fan of DAYoung.

Like a lot of people in my generation, I grew up with this image of Australia as a land where the nature of what it means to be a “Man” is glorified; hard fighting, hard working, hard living. The sun is hot, the critters are poisonous, and hell, even the land itself will find a way to kill you if you fuck about.

I’ll admit that it was undoubtedly a contrived notion, and wasn’t based on anything more than popular culture and nature documentaries. But the idea was there, and I wanted the idea to be true if for no other reason than Australia seemed like the perfect place to which one could bug out if one needed a change in scenery or wanted to up the difficulty level on his life.

But in recent years it seems that a large portion of Australia’s population is intent on transforming that nation in a manner similar to Las Vegas’ failed push to become more “family friendly” in the late 90’s (which it smartly abandoned).

Firearms are all but outright banned; you must rely on the goodness and competency of the Government to protect your family. The same Government installed a filter on the Internet which blocked sites it didn’t feel its citizens had any business seeing. They censor all sorts of other media as well, including banning video games such as the Grand Theft Auto series. There was even a recent movement to ban porn featuring petite women, on the risk that they might be confused for being under 18.

It was as if an Aussie Mary Poppins sailed down on her umbrella and went crashing, feet-first, into my idea of what Australia was like. How could a country be a place for a man to prove his worth if his activities need to be supervised by a Nanny?

I don’t know Mr. Young’s political views with any depth, and I can’t speak on them. But what I can speak about is his refusal to give in and go with the current, ascendant narrative in his country that all forms of violence are bad. He’s spoken out regularly on how we have an inherently violent nature that needs to be expressed in a productive manner, that Martial Arts and MMA provide this outlet.

I don’t idealize the man as some sort of literal bowie-knife wielding, outback pathfinder. But I do greatly respect him for wielding a figurative bowie-knife of well-reasoned facts in the face of an overwhelming, maternalistic movement intent on turning Australia into Disneyland.

Thanks, Phrost. I’m still very much a weak, clumsy nerd. But I was brought up to hunt, fish, fight, cook, garden and so on (all of which I do badly). We had a creek where I could ramble, machete-in-hand, from bush to beach.

The outback, rough Real Man stereotype you had of Australia is still alive and well in some country towns. Danno grew up in one. (You’ve seen his brothers.) I find the anti-intellectualism and narrow horizons painful, but the physical virtues you speak of are there.

To my mind, Danno is a great example of the best of contemporary Australia: the physical toughness and self-sufficiency of rural Australia with the intellectual and artistic skills of the city. Fluke, or something we can learn from?

I will also add this: if my pop culture myths of the United States are even half-correct, you don’t need a Nanny State to rob you of strength, independence and physical virtue. Consumer culture, laziness, confused privative individualism and paranoia are doing it for you.

I thought they were his cousins.

here’s a photo i took of my 2 older bros (left and right) helping a mate fix a band saw so they could butcher a sheep we were going to share.

we’d just finished up a week of hunting with dogs, knives and guns in the outback.

photos of said outback:

a gun we used (over-under, a combined shotgun and rifle):

knives we used:

one of the pig dogs we used, hard to tell but he’s huge:

bro in his ute:

there are entire communities of these people.