YOUN WHA RYU! REAL OR FAKE?! Let's talk about it here instead of that other thread.

Before I go to my argument. Im going to give my background information to make argument more credible. I have been training in martial arts for 6 years, and still training. I train in 2 styles of Tae Kwon Do, Hap Ki Do, Tai Chi, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, kali, cane, and bo staff. I have experienced countless seminars and experienced other arts such as Ba Gua, Judo, Jiu-Jitsu, and different weapons. Among these styles that I Have trained in one of the styles include YOun Wha Ryu. I just got to say that I HATE IT!!! It s an arrogant and dumb Mcdojo art. If it wasnt for the fact that this is the only main martial arts school in the area, I would be training somewhere else. This art is a shame and dishonorable and cannot be called a martial art. This so called art claims to be superior. For example:

"The Youn Wha Ryu, therefore, is an advanced system of fighting techniques from almost every available style of martial art. Due to its complexity, Grandmaster Han integrated Tae Kwon Do into his teaching system.

Tae Kwon Do is considered a basis for Youn Wha Ryu and it can be learned by nearly anyone. Youn Wha Ryu, however, is extremely complex and requires several years of basic martial arts training before its concepts can be understood. Training in the Tae Kwon Do system that Grandmaster Han teaches enables his students to observe the weaknesses of their own personal styles and that of other martial art systems. Thus, students are well equipped to deal with any fighting method they may encounter.

With Youn Wha, the student is now able to develop a higher degree of timing, speed, balance, control (mental and physical), and confidence… It has taken Grandmaster Han a lifetime to develop and perfect this system so that anyone and everyone may participate. He strongly believes that this system is the best and will continue to grow world wide."

First thing, if this so called martial art is sooo advanced, then how can students be expected to advance in it? and especially at a rapid rate? For example. I had tested for my 1st Dan with my instructor, who tested for his 5th Dan. To my knowledge he has trained in martial arts for 25 years. Give or take a few. He has trained this many years and is a 5TH DAN!!! The highest ranking master in this art is a 6th Dan and supposively hasnt even trained for at least 20 years. What kind of bullshit is that?!?! Another thing is that it said that due to its complexity that the grandmaster added tae kwon do to the curriculum. WHY!?!?! Instead of adding MORE styles to it and making it MORE COMPLEX why not SPREAD out the “curriculum” of the “COMPLEX” techniquies of the other styles and make it more simple to learn?

My next point is about this statement:

“Tae Kwon Do is considered a basis for Youn Wha Ryu and it can be learned by nearly anyone. Youn Wha Ryu, however, is extremely complex and requires several years of basic martial arts training before its concepts can be understood.”

In any martial arts it takes several years of training in order understand the basics. Thats how you become a master. My Grandmaster (in a different association) always ssaid, that in order to become master, you must first master the basics. And there are other instances where karate masters have said that without basics, there is NOTHING!!! Speaking of which. YWR states to have complex upper level technuiqes from different styles. WHere are the basics? How do expect to get to point B if you dont know anything about point A. Its like in school, how can you take a final if you havent even taken the course? IT IS REDUNDANT!

“Training in the Tae Kwon Do system that Grandmaster Han teaches enables his students to observe the weaknesses of their own personal styles and that of other martial art systems. Thus, students are well equipped to deal with any fighting method they may encounter.”

THIS STATMENT PISSES ME OFF! HOW DARE THEY SAY THAT ANY OTHER STYLE US WEAK WHEN THIS STYLE IT IS WEAK UPON ITSELF. I have learned these upper techniques and self defense. But I have trained in Hap Ki Do before. If I was to do the defense according to how they taught me, I would probably end up in deeper shit than when the conflict started. Another thing is the first towo self defense that you learn, they were made as if some one was reaching for your sword. NOBODY CARRIES SWORDS THESE DAYS!!! Another porblem about these self defense is that they only teach from one side of the body. Let me explain. They grab in various parts, but they only practice on one side. Well thats great and all but what if some one grabs me on my left wrist???..“Excuse me sir, can you grab my other wrist, i have never practiced on this wrist. Can we start over?”…WTF. And on top of that, these self defense claim to be a wide variation of different attacks. DONT THINK SO. The purple belt curriculum in my Hap Ki Do organization has more situationals than ALL of these self defense. Another funny thing about this part of the comment is that it says that the student will be well equipped to fight in any conflict they encounter. It just so happens that in my first tournamnet in this association, i SHOCKED the whole room. And I swept the whole floor with the competition. So much for other arts being weak. If any martial arts is weak is this YOUN WHA RYU. It is a fake so called “art” that needs to be vaporized that is considered McDojo and is nothing more than a cardio work out.

  1. Do not post threads with the title IN ALL CAPS.

  2. Do not post threads using a tiny font that no one can read or would want to read.

  3. Provide a URL link or some other proof of your claims.

  4. There is already a thread on Youn Wha Ryu. YOU POSTED IN IT, REMEMBER? We don’t need another thread.

  5. Quit Youn Wha Ryu (I don’t care if it’s the only school in your area).

As an instructor in Youn Wha Ryu and a student unless you experience another art making valid comments is BS. I have been involved in martial arts since 1979 and have found one thing to be true, everyone thinks their art is the best. Grand Master Han who is the founder and President of the Youn Wha Ryu Association holds Black Belts in numerous arts and weapons. He has instructed for the US Military and the Korean Military. His experience and his martial arts training are varied. Like most real world combat trained Masters he would only teach techniques that he felt we needed to know. Most sport oriented training schools only teach enough too allow you to compete . Our school does compete but the focus is in defending yourself not in teaching you flashy forms or made up forms. Also you can not argue with 150 plus schools and an organization that spans a dozen states and four countries. I’m also sure your master would not be to pleased if He or She learned how you bragged about your skill and put down another art that you have no experience in. Good luck in your tournaments I’m sure you will do well given what you have said just remember a true martial artist is modest and does not brag about how they swept the room. Because you maybe the next one swept from the floor and it might be from someone in an art you never heard off!

I would like to reply to some of the comments made by the original poster. First, I would like to point out the very large logical fallacies put forward. If Youn Wha is a McDojo, then the point of the martial art should be to funnel as many people through as possible. And, since the higher rank tests are more expensive, you would want many people to take those tests. But, as the poster said, it takes 20+ years to reach the rank of master. And the 6th degree he was talking about who took a break, that’s Master Han, Grandmaster Han’s son, who has been training his entire life.

As far as the so-called arrogance goes, nothing can be further from the truth. We train according to a moral code (Be Polite, Be Patient, Be Alert, Be Brave, Do Your Best, Respect Yourself and Others). Bravado and arroga

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I would like to reply to some of the comments made by the original poster. First, I would like to point out the very large logical fallacies put forward. If Youn Wha is a McDojo, then the point of the martial art should be to funnel as many people through as possible. And, since the higher rank tests are more expensive, you would want many people to take those tests. But, as the poster said, it takes 20+ years to reach the rank of master. And the 6th degree he was talking about who took a break, that’s Master Han, Grandmaster Han’s son, who has been training his entire life.

As far as the so-called arrogance goes, nothing can be further from the truth. We train according to a moral code (Be Polite, Be Patient, Be Alert, Be Brave, Do Your Best, Respect Yourself and Others). Bravado and arrogance are not tolerated, especially from higher ranks.

Also, going back to logical fallacies, it does make sense to teach tae kwon do. When Grandmaster Han arrived in the US, he was not aware that our society is complacent and lazy. Today, in fact, 2/3’s of adults and 1/3 of children in the US are overweight or obese. This was not the situation in Korea. Grandmaster Han came from a society where martial arts was commonly taught to children. While “advanced” systems (basically those that focused on more complex forms and kicks and not on teaching basic foot position, kicks, or movement) could be taught to Koreans based on a general knowledge of basic martial arts, that sort of knowledge did not exist in the US. So, based on that fact, Grandmaster Han decided to incorporate Tae Kwon Do into the system so that his students would have a general knowledge of basic martial arts techniques.

Students in Youn Wha learn TKD until black belt, which is why many observers claim that our system is similar to the WTF (which makes sense since Grandmaster Han was in Korea when the WTF was founded.) Once a student reaches black belt, then they start learning Youn Wha techniques and other techniques from other systems, because they should then have a strong TKD background to base that new knowledge on.

While we have many, many lower rankings students, the cost of attending a school is very low, usually be $50 a month and often times below $40 a month at part-time schools (which is most of our schools). Testing fees for lower ranks is also very inexpensive. However, we have few higher ranking members, as we have only a couple thousand black belts spanning 4 countries and over 20 years of teaching. Once you get into the 2nd and 3rd dans, the number of students who have reached that mark drops into the low hundreds. Very few have reached 4th dan and we have around 10 (maybe a couple more) Masters in the entire word. We have only 2 6th degrees with the Master of the Arkansas division about to test to become the 3rd 6th dan ever in our system.

We do not fit the Mcdojo definition. My fiance is an instructor at 2nd dan and she LOSES money or breaks even from her school on an annual bases. The cost of helping her students, gas, and the fact that there ARE NO CONTRACTS means that you can’t make money or get rich off being an instructor.

If the art isn’t for you, that’s fine. But, please, don’t make up lies about a respectable and humble Martial Art.

What the?!!?!?!? Another Youn Wha thread? How many of them are there does quick search oh bloody hell…

Look kids, there’s an investigation thread that actually has quite a bit of content on YWR here:
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=46069&page=1

click on the pretty link, read the thread, digest it, ALL of it, then post.

No, it was culled from the thread you linked.

[QUOTE=It is Fake;2529130]No, it was culled from the thread you linked.[/QUOTE]

Oh, well then…