Well I was going to ask this question in the senior forums, but it was recommend it that I ask it here so I don’t get flamed too much.
So I’d like to know, why is Judo superior to Aikido?
In a nutshell, aikido is compliant, doesn’t have sparring, and is largely based on theory or low-percentage techniques (small joint manipulations, for one).
Judo, in contrast, has a healthy amount of safe, hard sparring (randori), techniques are practiced with resistance, and revolves around the actual application of time- and competition-proven techniques on resisting, knowledgable opponents. These techniques (hip throws, trips, leg sweeps) are very common (they are found in many, many wrestling traditions), straightforward, and have a high success rate.
To recap: sparring, compliance, success rate of techniques. There are also issues with training methodology and intensity, but really, focus on those three.
Oh, and before DCS murders me, aikido was also originally taught as a supplemental style for people who had already learned to fight via karate, judo, and other arts. It was not intended or practiced as a stand-alone way to learn how to fight or defend oneself.
[quote=1point2;2263276]In a nutshell, aikido is compliant, doesn’t have sparring, and is largely based on theory or low-percentage techniques (small joint manipulations, for one).
Judo, in contrast, has a healthy amount of safe, hard sparring (randori), techniques are practiced with resistance, and revolves around the actual application of time- and competition-proven techniques on resisting, knowledgable opponents. These techniques (hip throws, trips, leg sweeps) are very common (they are found in many, many wrestling traditions), straightforward, and have a high success rate.
To recap: sparring, compliance, success rate of techniques. There are also issues with training methodology and intensity, but really, focus on those three.
Oh, and before DCS murders me, aikido was also originally taught as a supplemental style for people who had already learned to fight via karate, judo, and other arts. It was not intended or practiced as a stand-alone way to learn how to fight or defend oneself.[/quote]
Well judging by that, it doesn’t seem as if there’s an absolutely vast gulf between the two as was my first impression from previous comments.
To be honest though, I’ve known of quite a lot of Martial Arts which are based on compliance. Does that mean that these particular Martial Arts are ‘bullshit’? Perhaps they are.
I’ll take your word for it though. I know almost nothing about Judo, but there are a few Aikido techniques in my arsenal. Although I do not rely on compliance and I train on hard wooden floors since they are closer to hard concrete than soft mats.
I just thought that because Judo was a very popularised Martial Art by the Western media, unlike Aikido, that it might be the McDojo grappling art in a similar way to some forms of American Karate. But I guess I was wrong.
What? That is a massive gap. In fact that gap covers everything that matters.
Go to good Judo dojo and get on the soft mats. Then come back on here and explain why they are there. Hard wood because its closest to concrete. Thank <insert deity> you’re in newbie town.
Most here would say yes. If your training doesn’t include training in a non-compliant manner with a resisting opponent, what makes you think you can make it work on someone that doesn’t want to let you?
I can understand what you’re trying to say. But I’m sure this compliance finishes at the level of black belt, surely? I mean it’s understandable to train like this with beginners.
[quote=Kraik;2263284]Well judging by that, it doesn’t seem as if there’s an absolutely vast gulf between the two as was my first impression from previous comments.
To be honest though, I’ve known of quite a lot of Martial Arts which are based on compliance. Does that mean that these particular Martial Arts are ‘bullshit’? Perhaps they are.
I’ll take your word for it though. I know almost nothing about Judo, but there are a few Aikido techniques in my arsenal. Although I do not rely on compliance and I train on hard wooden floors since they are closer to hard concrete than soft mats.
I just thought that because Judo was a very popularised Martial Art by the Western media, unlike Aikido, that it might be the McDojo grappling art in a similar way to some forms of American Karate. But I guess I was wrong.[/quote]
Yes you are wrong.
Training on wooden floors is not going to help you at all in the long run.
Just because something is popular doesnt mean its a mcdojo I dont think you fully understand the term for example boxing is popular but we all know it works.
If a martial art only focuses on compliance yes its bullshit, but for the sake of learning sometimes a degree of compliance is needed.
[quote=Kraik;2263284]
I just thought that because Judo was a very popularised Martial Art by the Western media, unlike Aikido, that it might be the McDojo grappling art in a similar way to some forms of American Karate. But I guess I was wrong.[/quote]
Nah, judo uses a club format and has a strong single hierarchy, so it’s not the mess of profiteering and silliness that karate is in the US.
[quote=Franco;2263292]Yes you are wrong.
Training on wooden floors is not going to help you at all in the long run.[/quote]
Could I ask why?
Fair enough, I just said that it was a possibility.
I’ve got much to learn about other Martial Arts, I only have experience with one, the basics of another, and general knowledge about the rest.
A black belt doesnt mean anything
Beginners need to learn how to train safely but sparring shouldnt be an issue after you have some basics coverd and can pretty much “roll”* from day one aslong as they understand to tap out.
Roll or rolling is what alot of grapplers/BJJ players call sparring
I know that. It’s particularly evident in the Martial Art I study.
Alright. So Judo is a legitimate and effective Martial Art and Aikido isn’t. Though I do feel there’s a bit of bias here, but I’ll take your word for it nonetheless.
the fact you train on wooden floors says to me that you’ve never been properly thrown
[quote=Kraik;2263295]Could I ask why?
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Do you really need me to explain why a wooden floor is very bad for you? Honestly?
If you train something like Judo its going to cause MASSIVE problems
Muay Thai, Kickboxing, Karate and boxing its not actually to much of a problem
Okay.
Phew, that was mentally enduring for my first thread.
[quote=Kraik;2263297]I know that. It’s particularly evident in the Martial Art I study.
Alright. So Judo is a legitimate and effective Martial Art and Aikido isn’t. Though I do feel there’s a bit of bias here, but I’ll take your word for it nonetheless.[/quote]
Judo is legitimate and effective yes and by and large Aikido is not and there is a massive bias here towards martial arts that actually work, thats true.
hard floors are hard
But just because an art is widely considerd effective doesn’t mean you get the odd bad egg with people claiming there teaching something there clearly not.
For instance my town has a gym that claims MMA and Thai boxing and you can clearly see there is no MMA and no Thai boxing been taught, for instance they teaching knife disarms in the Muay Thai class.
Also there is a Japanese Jiu Jitsu school that claims to teach “BJJ technqiues” and the guy caliming this has confessed to only attending one BJJ class while on Holiday in Rio.
Thats not enough to be claiming to teach BJJ even if you try to cop out by saying “technqiues”
Martial arts is full of shady people and fraudsters, if it sounds to good to be true its because it is
Like I said, I have very very little experience with Judo and Aikido. Spare me the sarcasm. But you’ve still been helpful, so thanks for that.
Once in a Blue moon in TKD, we had to practice a few thows and sweeps that were part of the self defence component. What happened was that without mats you really had to lower the person down, or people were getting hurt. As a JJJ black belt with extensive judo back ground, my ukemi was near perfect, and it still hurt.
Use mats, always.
Note: now back in Judo these days they use thick crash matts. The coaches say otherwise people tend to not come back.