Hi guys maybe this has already been asked but I could not find it in the search.
I have been trawling this site and there seems to be a shit load of people creating martial arts and claiming what ever belt it is they are claiming.
My question is simple. When is it ok by the general MA community that someone creates a martial arts.
I see a trend in alot of people trying to cash in on the whole BJJ and MMA scene and creating all sorts of ridicules claims like they hold BJJ black belt etc etc. Shit i have even hear of people claiming Black Belts in MMA.
Is it OK when some dude creates some MA that has nothing to do with MMA or BJJ. As it seems that alot of people do and they dont ever seem to get any flak for it.
But when some dude creates some kind of MMA or GRAPPLING (CRAPPLING) system it seems the WHOLE MA community is up in arms.
So question is.
1: when is it ok to create an MA
2: what makes it OK / NOT OK to create an MA (grappling or striking orientated.
I personally practice Jiu Jitsu from a Taka Watanabe Black Belt. My rank is Blue belt and I have no intention to ever create an MA as I really don’t think there needs to be anymore.
You haven’t trawled enough. Most of the investigations involve self awarded rank in some traditional martial art BS system.
Grappling and MMA are the big thing right now, new as well, so, they get the most attention. The ones you are talking about are so deep rooted and old people don’t care as much.
Whenever the fuck you want, you’re a grown-ass man, dawg(I guess).
On a serious note, when I was a little kid playing in my backyard I decided I would create my own martial art. I came up with a couple moves and then forgot about it. It’s scary that there are “grown-ass” men who still do this with great vigor.
[QUOTE=SCInferno;2624365]Whenever the fuck you want, you’re a grown-ass man, dawg(I guess)…[/QUOTE]
I was not asking If it was OK i create an MA. I was asking when it is OK by the standards of the general MA community.
After all everything needs a start point. I get heaps of shit and flak directed to me from TMA guys and JUDO guys who say that Jiu Jitsu is just bad Judo. Now when the Gracie’s started teaching there brand of Jiu Jitsu did they get shit from the MA community back then ?
I have been told by my Professor as he was told by his Professor etc etc that in Brazil BJJ is not called BJJ but simply Jiu Jitsu. Now I wonder if the Gracie’s would have got shit thrown at them by the MA community back when it all began.
Obviously the Gracie’s proved the effectiveness of their brand of Jiu Jitsu many times which is why its so widely practiced and accepted today as one of the most effective forms of Combat whether it be for sport or for Self Defense ( yes yes i know in the street if i go to the ground i will get stomped on etc etc )
Back on topic…So does anyone have any real insight as to when they think its ok for some one to create an MA
I’m not really up on the history of jiu jitsu.
But I believe that the Gracies learned Judo but specialised and expanded upon the ground aspect of the game. So that is more of a case of proving the worth through actual fighting, rebranding and packaging for the US market.
I don’t think you are going to get a concensus of when it’s ok to create your own art. But if you can back up your “created” style in the ring then that would be a good start. IMO
SO basically your saying that if some group creates an MA then they should be able to back it up in combat. And if they are successful then it may be deemed a legitimate Combat Art ?
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Obviously the Gracie’s proved the effectiveness of their brand of Jiu Jitsu many times which is why its so widely practiced and accepted today as one of the most effective forms of Combat whether it be for sport or for Self Defense ( yes yes i know in the street if i go to the ground i will get stomped on etc etc )
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I think you answered your own question here. The Gracies proved that their stuff works, so (most) people shut up. If someone just created their own art someday, undoubtedly a lot of people would cast a dubious eye on them until they pressure tested it.
Before yo start a new MA you have to make sure the old MA is OK with you moving on, AND does’nt have any of your stuff
The last thing you need is your old MA disscussing your fondness for strap on dildos to all your friends and burning your clothes
I know of a dude who is teaching some long lost form of Muay Thai (krabi krabong) i think thats what he calls it. He is pretty much a fucktard as a person (just mu opinion).
Now I know he is teaching this Krabi Krabong because the MT community thinks he is a joke and laughs anytime he even mentions Muay Thai so he has opted to call what he is teaching Krabi Krabong. As a fighter the guy is pretty good and has a decent record of fights in the local scene. In fact he even has produced some decent ammy fighters who win consistently.
He also is now trying to pass off some kind of new and improved Muay Thai he calls some weird name. Hence he has started his own MA and he even has belts for it.
So because he fights and so does his students and they seem to do ok does this make it acceptable by the MA community that he has created his own Art ?
[QUOTE=Screwloose;2624387]SO basically your saying that if some group creates an MA then they should be able to back it up in combat. And if they are successful then it may be deemed a legitimate Combat Art ?[/QUOTE]
For me as a consumer the effectiveness in the ring would help ease whaterever concerns I might have about the “art” actually working.
Doesn’t Krabi Krabong invole elephants?
[QUOTE=dflanmod;2624394]For me as a consumer the effectiveness in the ring would help ease whaterever concerns I might have about the “art” actually working.[/QUOTE]
Fair call I suppose I would feel the same.
Off to start my own art now I’m going to contact Lazaro Bueno to see how its done.
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[QUOTE=doofaloofa;2624396]Doesn’t Krabi Krabong invole elephants?[/QUOTE]
I Have no idea what it involved it just looks like regular MT to me as I have seen him and his students throw their kicks and what not.
You have to hear this dude teach.
“in MT they kick like this… in KRABI KRABONG we kick like this because KRABI KRABONG came before MT and MT just stole it. Its a watered down SPORTS VERSION of Krabi Krabong”
Total egocentric fucktard (My opinion)
As far as I know, Krabi Krabong is a Thai weapons art. Muay Thai evolved from Muay Boran which some people claim to teach. I don’t know too much about it except it had headbutts and some goofy moves.
dude actually once done a very poor attempt of the "Form’ / “kata” from that movie ONG BAK and tried to pass it off as some ancient form that he was taught by some Thai master.
Funny thing is we live in a small European Country and I know for a fact that the furthest he has traveled from this small country is the neighboring counties which is no where near Thailand and to my knowledge their has never been any Thai masters near this vicinity.
Are there a lot of prostitutes in your area? He could have met the Thai master there.
What is your friends’ opinion on Lady Boys?
I think people are generally OK with stuff that works. If someone wanted to make a style of boxing that allowed low kick, clinch fighting and takedowns and he actually put a lot of effort into integrating everything and setting up a competitive format I don’t think people would have a problem with it. You could probably also advertise an “ADCC Grappling” gym without too much of a problem. The big thing is that you should have a legitimate lineage in the derivative arts or else be able to prove shit. If a school calling itself ADCC-jitsu was putting out ADCC champions I don’t think anyone would comment on it.
I suppose one of us could create a martial art called amai kagaku, teach it and brag about how our students fought boxers and beat some of them, at their own game no less.
My instructor gave me permission to start my own style, and the sambo I coach is more my own spin rather than the original system I learned.