Well I was going to call you in last night but, you were out with you friends posting your conversations.
XMA stated it’s NOT TMA or SD. what’s the problem? It’s a combo of forms, dance, gymnastics and acrobatics. It’s stated clearly so nothing wrong with that.
To Zen of Anger:
And?? There is absolutely nothing wrong with that except, the use of the phrase Martial Art. Thing is, the definition has been so bastardized, you can’t fault them for using it the way 90% of American’s believe.
Again it isn’t what they do, it is what some of them say.
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I love the skills for what they are…skills.
The program focuses on the performance aspect of the martial arts. It combines traditional martial arts training with acrobatics and unique choreography. It balances technical excellence in performance with a strong emphasis on creativity and energy.
Many here have no problem with this definition at all.
We don’t get people that talk like that on this board.
XMA stated it’s NOT TMA or SD. what’s the problem? It’s a combo of forms, dance, gymnastics and acrobatics. It’s stated clearly so nothing wrong with that.
Actually it is part TMA.
No, it is not always stated clearly.
Like It Is Fake says, there’s nothing wrong with this. I personally think it’s pretty damn cool, for the same reason that I think Crouching Tiger, Hero and Tony Jaa movies are cool. I honestly probably wouldn’t want to see a martial arts movie where the only techniques the hero uses to dispatch his enemies are punches, elbows and round kicks to the legs. So I think things like XMA are fun to watch and, presumably, also fun to do.
The way I see it is that when it comes to martial arts, some people focus on the MARTIAL and some people focus on ART. When I think of combat, I really think of it more of a science than an art. But something like XMA is very much an art.
As for calling XMA or wushu a “martial” art instead of some other sort of art, I think it’s inevitable because whether or not they are training for combat or not, the techniques themselves are still fighting movements. While some may be unrealistic as shit, you also see standard moves like front kicks, round kicks, punches and elbows. Some of those guys look pretty muscular so I have to believe that if they were to connect with such a move in a real fight that it probably wouldn’t be pleasant for the receiver.
Does anyone here know if there has ever been an MA guy who has been both a solid fighter and a solid XMA competitor?
As for calling XMA or wushu a “martial” art instead of some other sort of art, I think it’s inevitable because whether or not they are training for combat or not, the techniques themselves are still fighting movements. While some may be unrealistic as shit, you also see standard moves like front kicks, round kicks, punches and elbows. Some of those guys look pretty muscular so I have to believe that if they were to connect with such a move in a real fight that it probably wouldn’t be pleasant for the receiver.
Have you studied any Martial Art, with sparring, for any length of time?
Not tippy tap point sparring but, medium to full contact sparring?
All of my adult MA training has been in judo, so as you we know we have randori. So to answer your question, no, I have not been involved in a striking art with heavy sparring.
My point though was that, say, ballet is not a martial art because there is absolutely nothing martial to it. At least with XMA, the movements ARE martial arts moves. They just are. They’re punches and kicks, sweeps and elbows. Those are fighting moves.
Did you have striking in the style you practiced?
The style of judo? No, all just straight throws and groundwork. The closest thing to striking I got to in judo class was sparring with a former hapkido guy when class was over and we still had energy.
Okay that’s what I figured.
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Trying to figure out if this is a smartass joke or a serious post. . .
As for calling XMA or wushu a “martial” art instead of some other sort of art, I think it’s inevitable because whether or not they are training for combat or not, the techniques themselves are still fighting movements.
say, ballet is not a martial art because there is absolutely nothing martial to it. At least with XMA, the movements ARE martial arts moves.
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At this point you need to go train XMA or Wushu, to understand the problems in your statements.
That was my point. The video says they created XMA to teach flashy moves, which leads many people to talk shit about them, because according to the video, that XMA teaches only that, while those that bash on it believe martial arts should be the complete opposite.
Another reason why XMA bashers say what they say: They are pissed that XMA uses the phrase “martial art” to describe itself, while the shit talkers see it as gymnastics. Sorry I didn’t explain that in my last post.
No worries.
Ahhh finally.
I was wondering wtf was going on.
I was in a rush to work and only had time to post the videos.
Unless you are talking about being DuffRolled?
I did Wushu for about a month when I was 15. I don’t think there are any problems with my statements. I know the difference between something like wushu or XMA and something like muay thai or BJJ.
If you recall I never said that flashy MA is very useful for fighting. In fact, I said the opposite. I just explained why I think the term “martial art” can still be applied. Ultimately, it’s an argument of semantics though.
I think you are going out of your way to be argumentative instead of just saying, “That makes sense.”
shakes head again
While some may be unrealistic as shit, you also see standard moves like front kicks, round kicks, punches and elbows. Some of those guys look pretty muscular so I have to believe that if they were to connect with such a move in a real fight that it probably wouldn’t be pleasant for the receiver.
At least with XMA, the movements ARE martial arts moves. They just are. They’re punches and kicks, sweeps and elbows. Those are fighting moves.
In fact, I said the opposite. I just explained why I think the term “martial art” can still be applied. Ultimately, it’s an argument of semantics though.
Okay so, you didn’t mean to add that little bit about “it wouldn’t be pleasant for the receiver?”
I think you are going out of your way to be argumentative instead of just saying, “That makes sense.”
Nope. None of your analogies make sense.
Welcome to our toilet. Notice all these posts have been subtracted from your post count. Apparently, whoever runs the TKD forum thinks this is a garbage thread.
I agree. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but wow. You seem to forget what you typed earlier.
Okay, clearly I am in dickhead land. I thought this was a good topic and I think I made good points.
I said the moves were fighting moves. A kick is a fighting move. An XMA roundkick looks a lot like a MT roundkick. Why? Because it’s a fucking roundkick! And yes, if you got hit in the face with one I think it would suck. I really don’t expect you would say, “Hey! Stop tickling me!”
The reason why most XMA guys probably aren’t good fighters is because they train those moves to show them off and not to make contact with them.
Make sense? Yeah . . . it does. And I don’t know why the fuck this thread was moved. It was a compelling conversation is a sea of dribble.