You guys sound like one of any other martial artist pre UFC who had never seen, nor heard of, or could comprehend the complexity and effectiveness of competent BJJ. Always ready to disregard that which you dont understand or hasnt been proven to you personally. Now because the Gracies decided to show the world what BJJ is and is capable of you are a loyal nutrider. Perhaps Chen Bing will find a way to bring Chen Tai Chi into the spotlight, perhaps not. Not everyone has the ego of the gracies nor cares for world domination.
Always on Bullshido the cry of “Video or it didnt happen” Well it happened and its on video. Now because you dont understand it or it doesnt fit the paradigm you can comprehend its somehow bullshit. Not to mention you specifically can tell its bullshit from a video. Retarded.
Put simply Chen style is a different way of generating power, one that admittedly takes more time to cultivate than BJJ but then again isnt really interested in how quickly these skills are attained. Aunkai is trying to do something similar with a training mindset that looks to gain skill relatively quickly within a sporting context. But it aint technique based nor partner based and it aint glamourous.
Think how little you knew pre-ufc and what you know now. Then think what you may know tomorrow. MMA as you currently know it not the end all be all. It evolves and incorporates. Someone may incorporate this kind of “internal power” too. From single arts adding BJJ, to MT to wrestling takedowns, to Judo, to Sambo to who knows, is that really so hard to believe?
I want to like the material being presented here, so you would probably do yourself and your style a favor if you presented yourself as less of a jackass.
(clue- technical information good, unspecified horn-tooting about how badass your school is is useless).
And succesful martial arts that are as old or older than most currently praticed CMA styles(which for various historical reasons aren’t actually that old) produce good fighters without. If there’s a reason a particular form is good, elucidate it(note- I’m not taking the position that all form training is useless- just with your seemingly racist logic).
Providing reasons that don’t boil down to “chinese people have magic powers and white people are idiots” always helps.
First of all, don’t speak as if we are a group with one single opinion. We are not. A lot of people, myself included, were very happy to see this footage and are eager to learn more.
As for the “Why can’t you believe that this stuff is effective?!?!?!” argument, well I haven’t believed it cause until this video I hadn’t seen anything that looked real or practical. Don’t get pissed at those who have a moderate to low opinion of the art, get pissed at those who do nothing to show that its worthy of something more than dismissal. It’s not about world domination, it’s about passing knowledge.
Think how little you knew pre-ufc and what you know now. Then think what you may know tomorrow.
Lastly, don’t contextualize Men In Black quotes at me on here, it’s pretty fucking lame. If people take umbrage with the fact that their MA has no popular recognition, then they should do more to show that it works in a competitive venue (like the guy in this video). Otherwise they have no right to complain.
Exactly the response I expected. LOL dont get your panties in a knot. Didnt speak to you specifically now did I? Group think is pretty de rigeur around here so suck it up if your the one of a few in this thread that happens to have an open mind and think differently.
Actually im not pissed on how the folks here view any art. Your comments speak for themselves. As for “Its about passing knowledge” wow how naive are you… Sorry bud its about brand recognition and making money. And I never said anyone especially Chen Bing takes umbrage that “their MA has no popular recognition” im sure he could care less about others opinions. This was a video taken at his seminar not an exhibition to be picked apart from the peanut gallery.
As for the Men in Black line, truer words have never been spoken, be it from Tommy Lee Jones or Rickson Gracie. You got the message and it made my point, so get over it.
When we’re admiring and critically examining videos of apparently cool CMA throws, and people insult and deride us without adding anything to the analysis.
Actually there are plenty of us. And unless you specify, yeah you did implicate me in your statements. I consider myself part of the general commentary on this thread.
You don’t read very carefully. You are the one taking umbrage. I have no idea what Chen Bing thinks, and I doubt you do either.
First you say not everyone wants to conquer the world, then you are talking about making money and brand recognition. Which is it? News flash: The chance of anyone making millions off their art like any of the Gracies, Machados, or Norris’ is slim to none. Unless you have an enterprising method of getting your school franchised, it is and should be about passing knowledge. I’m not naive. I honestly don’t think the world is full of douchebags, and for all the trolls and idiots on this site, I actually think the majority subscription proves me right.
It didn’t make your point. It made me think you spend a lot of time quoting movies, and not very much time sparring.
Actually, I couldn’t care less what anyone here thinks of me. That some would assume they can know me from my shallow and limited postings here, gleans their own lackings. You speak as if though this board was the end-all, be-all of authority in MA. You live in a small pond indeed.
Besides, I stated nothing but facts. I didn’t toot anything, nor did I say anyone was more badass than another. If you don’t like the fact that I do not sugarcoat my words, you can go pound salt.
The sting of a reproach is the truth of it. Call me a jackass for it. :binkybaby But thanks anyways for considering my opinions important enough to react to.
As for technical information regarding Chen style, those genuinely interested would do much better to attend a seminar and experience it directly. To discuss it on a forum would be like trying to explain what coffee tastes like to someone who’s never had it- useless. But I’ll humor you:
Power in Chen style comes from it’s own set of mechanics that involve the legs, groin and inguinal structures, and the torso. Weight shifting, use of what asians call “kwa”, and the torso, often referred to in CMA as the “dan tien”.
I make a general statement and have to specify not to include you? umm okay.
And as for my percieved “umbrage”: LOL his word you keep using in reference to me, I do not think it means what you think it means
Merriam Webster Dictionary
Pronunciation: \ˈəm-brij\ Function:noun Etymology:Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin umbraticum, neuter of umbraticus of shade, from umbratus, past participle of umbrare to shade, from umbra shade, shadow; akin to Lithuanian unksmė shadowDate:15th century 1:shade, shadow
2: shady branches :foliage
3 a: an indistinct indication : vague suggestion :hint b: a reason for doubt :suspicion
4: a feeling of pique or resentment at some often fancied slight or insult <took umbrage at the speaker’s remarks>
You are probably using it in the context of 4 yet I dont feel slighted or insulted unlike your buddy 1point2 who has taken umbrage. Perhaps your quarrel is with him.
And as for your reading comprehension skills which are prolly on par with your sparring skills let me re-iterate:
Chen Bing does not want to conquer the world by having chen tai chi enter the spotlight of MMA like the Gracies, who have and created a recognizable brand and have made money (you added the millions, actually you tend to add alot to my statements that arent actually there)
And as for this bit
“I honestly don’t think the world is full of douchebags, and for all the trolls and idiots on this site, I actually think the majority subscription proves me right.”
Huh? Actually dont bother explaining. I unlike you can figure out through your syntax butchery what you meant, although I would beg to differ.
anyone important enough to talk to is important enough to talk in intelligibly. If you can’t be bothered to try and make yourself understood to your audience, you are wasting your time talking.
Judoka and wrestlers seem able to talk to each other pretty intelligently. While there are different approaches to doing various throws, the human body has only so much variation. I find it highly difficult to believe that there is a throw in Tai Chi, Judo, Sumo, Shuaijiao, greco, silat or elsewhere that would be able to be explained and then executed by a high-level practioner of any other of those styles.
Yet, you took the time to visit and continue to swim in this small pond. So, you do enjoy it and you do care.
Besides, I stated nothing but facts. I didn’t toot anything, nor did I say anyone was more badass than another. If you don’t like the fact that I do not sugarcoat my words, you can go pound salt.
This is kind of funny considering your earlier paragraph.
Even funnier considering what website you are on.
As for technical information regarding Chen style, those genuinely interested would do much better to attend a seminar and experience it directly. To discuss it on a forum would be like trying to explain what coffee tastes like to someone who’s never had it- useless. But I’ll humor you:
No not really. You can discuss it and have decent conversations.
Point out my grammatical errors please. But until you can, you should probably shut it.
Either way you are off point. What I was saying is you contribute nothing to the thread unless you are a) asking questions, or b) posing answers. So far your 14 posts have been useless.
Oh and you know dick all about my sparring, but come to my school to roll anytime, under any rules apart from those entering into criminal behavior. I have a key, so ready when you are dickcheese.
When I read the word POWEH right next to somebody’s name I start smelling mc’dojo/Bullshidoka situations. If he’s a good grapler ok, but I’ve not seen an expenation video, only sparing and demos. Perhaps if somebody posts a video of JJ101 style explenation from different angles… otherwise we’re all just pissing in the wind.
Dickcheese indeed…well played. Learn to count bub I gots a total of 8 posts including this one. Yeah you have great comprehension.
Speaking of contributions what exactly have you contributed other than verbal foreplay with me? I know im pretty but you must have a hard on to continue when I have repeatedly rebuffed your advances and invitations to your school and your keys (wtf exactly is the implication there? That we can “roll” by ourselves after everyone is gone? Creepy fruitcake)
Why not post video of your mad sparring skillz so I can save the trip, not get sodomized and get my yuks from my comfy chair.