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I have been in martial arts for some time, and therefore have friends who train in many different styles. One of them happens to train in Wing Chun. The Chain Punch {shudder} is certainly hard and effective. I can attest to this after being caught on the wrong side of it. Afterwards we talked (at length) about it. When done alone it can look like a series of slaps, though I have also seen it look like a jackhammer. The application my friend taught me was as a “whip”. The arms are loose until the moment of impact, then the whole arm tightens starting at the shoulder and finishing in the knuckles. At this point the arm relaxes and is drawn back, just to be replaced a moment later with the other arm.
The most interesting aspect of it is that if you get caught with the first one, you will probably have to suffer through the next 4 or 5 as well. The speed at which they are deployed is like an overload of the nervous system.
My advice: Watch carefully and learn that deceptive Wing Chun body twisting so that you are not there when that first strike lands.
Hm.
But are those chain punches really hard then?
From the clips I have watched it just looks like waving to me. Distracting, sure, but knockdown…?
Disclaimer: I have never fought, seen or talked to a routined WT fighter, so what I know Is what I saw from the same clips 9chambers seems to have seen. Girl slapping. Heh.
“A good kick to the balls is almost as good as a gun, ya know”
Look at Vitor Belfort’s matches with Forrozo and Tank Abbot in the UFC. Those are chain punches. The impact from one punch wheels you around and sends your other arm in … Emin has no motion from his forearm on back in his chain punches. He is just kicking out his forearms like some kind of grasshopper or something. These are jabs ~ and jabs are quick set-ups for powerful follow-ups. A bunch of jabs in a row is pointless. Jab him in the eyes so he can’t see the cross following right behind and you have something. Keep the power coming after that.
But … jab and just keep jabbing and he is going to just grab you and throw your ass down.
His shoulders should be diving in when he is in the mount … the way he is doing it shows no involvement of the body and its unrealistic. It is slapping and not punching. I know Wing Chun snaps on the extension while boxing pushes on the impact but you can’t use your low knees and twisting waist down on the ground … you are on the ground.
You don’t have the leverage from the WC stance when you are punching downward ~ that’s why WC punches rise up. You’ve got to throw your weight down at him with the punch when you are in the mount. WC punches are built for standing up.
>> Perhaps it was because I had an inherent skill for the science and never deviated from natural principles. - Miyamoto Musashi 1643
I get it, and I agree 100 per cent on your assessment of the power in the wing chun punches, especially as compared with boxing punches and muay thai kicks compared with…other kicks.
I think wing chun, muay thai, and BJJ all have its merits. I have heard cases where Bruce Lee using wing chun to beat the crap out of boxers. I think Bruce Lee had the right concepts. You train in all of them so no one can pull quick punches at you, kick the crap out of your shins or be out grappled.
9chambers, I have done both boxing and WT, and although the mechanichs are different, the punches from the two styles are both very powerful: I wouldn’t define the WT punch similar to a “snapkick”.
As a matter of fact the WT punch is coupled with the momevement of the body going ahead with the forward step and it’s more penetrating that i.e. a cross (in the sense of hitting through the target), so it’s basically the opposite of a “snap-punch”.
As for the punches from the mount I agree with you: if you do not involve the shoulder/trunk, you will loose power, but I have yet to try (receiving) them to express judgment.
Maybe “snap punch” is a bad way to put it. I was thinking of the way Emin flings his forearms out there. I guess it could be considered a whip too. I agree that when it is standing, WC drives through. You are right. On the ground though - the forward step and the body movement aren’t there.
I like the Chun Ging punch. I agree that regular WC punches can be very sturdy and powerful. I like what I’ve seen from other WC guys and of course Bruce Lee. I am actually a fan of WC. I’m just not a fan of Emin.
Its not that I have anything against him. I just don’t think he is anything really special.
Guest,
In your dreams.
>> Perhaps it was because I had an inherent skill for the science and never deviated from natural principles. - Miyamoto Musashi 1643
just wondering what people think of wing chun and how applicable it is in a real situations.
Wing Chun is a southern Kung fu that was developed to be used in alley ways, small rooms, and close in places, Wing chun doesn’t have much foot work and only move a step or two to close the gape between his opponent, it is based on short punches and some graps. If practice correctly with the sticky hand excersices it is a very affective Kung Fu and is good for self defence.Like anything, whether sports or Kung fu, the more you practice the better you know it, and the better you know it the better you will be at it and if you are good at it you will be able to defend yourself.
Personally, I think it’s great. I’ve been training in it for over a year. It’s right on track with what I’m looking for in a system, still traditional, but at the same time right to the point.
I went from studying a system of Kempo at the mother of all McDojo’s. After 5 years of studying I left with over 30 forms, 200 punch techniques, at least 50 club and knife techniques. I felt that I knew too much for actually application, and it felt that way when I was sparring. After my first class of Wing Chun my teacher made all the kempo I took look like childs play and I was hooked.
How applicable is it in street situations, I can’t say since I haven’t been in one while studying Wing Chun. I’ve goofed around with a few friends that new martial arts though and from what I’ve seen I’d have zero problem going into a fight against somebody who had no martial arts training. Too bad people are too laid back on the west coast
“But some apes they gotta go, so we kill the ones we don’t know” - ‘Ape shall never kill Ape’ by The Vandals
So, Mr. Van is Wing Chun, that make us martial arts brothers. I wish you the best in Wing Chun, practice hard.<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
Personally, I think it’s great. I’ve been training in it for over a year. It’s right on track with what I’m looking for in a system, still traditional, but at the same time right to the point.
I went from studying a system of Kempo at the mother of all McDojo’s. After 5 years of studying I left with over 30 forms, 200 punch techniques, at least 50 club and knife techniques. I felt that I knew too much for actually application, and it felt that way when I was sparring. After my first class of Wing Chun my teacher made all the kempo I took look like childs play and I was hooked.
How applicable is it in street situations, I can’t say since I haven’t been in one while studying Wing Chun. I’ve goofed around with a few friends that new martial arts though and from what I’ve seen I’d have zero problem going into a fight against somebody who had no martial arts training. Too bad people are too laid back on the west coast
“But some apes they gotta go, so we kill the ones we don’t know” - ‘Ape shall never kill Ape’ by The Vandals
So, Mr. Van is Wing Chun, that make us martial arts brothers. I wish you the best in Wing Chun, practice hard.<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
I used to study Tae Kwon Do in my youth. I then learned some hand to hand techniques while in the military. I now study Wing Chun. I feel it is a very balanced style (as my Sifu instructs it). I think it is a misnomer that there is no footwork in Wing Chun. In fact the footwork is very strong, and adds power to the hand work that WC uses. I study William Chueng style. Maybe compared to Aikido there is a lack of footwork in WC. We only have one form to learn, and that is the Shil Lum Tao. But WC was meant to be a simple, and direct art. Not one of a thousand forms.
I am not going to have a “best hair” contest with Ed Cotch either. That doesn’t mean I don’t think I would win. I am just not so insecure that I need to travel the world comparing myself to other people so I can feel good about myself. I have already proven myself to my satisfaction in competition, real self-defense, training and working. It doesn’t hurt my feelings if people talk trash about me, I know better.
I compete because its fun. I’d compete with Emin if he was here in town and he invited me to have some fun at his gym. I have a life though … so I am not going to travel to Germany and ambush him on a basketball court while he is giving a demonstration.
Anyway, what is it about this guy that makes you think he is the best thing since swiss cheese? He looks very average to me … I need to make a video so I can have bold fans supporting me anonymously on the Internet under names like “guest” … maybe I’ll do that down the road.
Do you think that Emin would win because he makes money or is it because of his non-existant NHB record? Lots of guys make money at this who suck. I don’t think that proves anything. You don’t hear guys talking trash about Frank Shamrock though. We have seen what he can do in the ring.
Anyway, what is Emin’s height and weight? … just our of curiosity …
>> Perhaps it was because I had an inherent skill for the science and never deviated from natural principles. - Miyamoto Musashi 1643
Following your lead - where is your NHB record? You judge him on a non existing NHB record and then go on to judge him off videos, pictures and rumors on the internet!
In self defence as you probably know it’s idiotic to “go” on the ground, you are 200% more vulnerable to your opponents friends, things that can get in your way plus you loose alot of the overview, you are easier stabbed etc etc. Yet most fights in NHB fights go to the ground, Why you ask? because in a 1 on 1 in a ring it’s best to go to the ground and 90% of the competitors they train for specifically that and that is why WC/WT/VT is not suited for a ring match.
Yet you said you think you could beat him but have no intention of ever trying to do so, have you even sparred with him or gone to one of his seminars? wait let me guess you don’t want to give him money well if you can’t afford it then i guess it’s your loss keep on with your ignorance of bashing people you have no intention of ever trying to even spar with.
This turned into a flame fest, I hope you can still get my points - if you were secure enough in yourself you wouldent even have said you could beat him in the first place, you would be content that you knew it yourself.
What im trying to get at, everyone should stop talking shit and judging people from rumors and second hand information, go check him out yourself and them form your oppinion, if you still think you can beat him then more power to you - atleast you went to see him.
“He looks very average to me …” That’s your oppinion, no problem there. Let me just say that he’s not going to go full power and actually hit in a DEMONSTRATION video, it’s just to show techniques not actual power.
Fights go to the ground in NHB because they DO. 99% of the population cannot prevent going to the ground against ONE person let alone more than one. Learning Emoin’s bullshit “Anti Grappling” isnt going to change that number at all.
"Do not become entranced by impractical or useless movements. Do not be categorized as one who “Learns all there is to know about less and less until he ends up learning everything there is to know about nothing.” -Ed Parker
Use a bit of it in the JKD concepts, but as a whole pure art, haven’t seen it’s effectiveness. Ever seen a NHB fight with a WC fighter win, I haven’t and watch them all. Had a guy woith 5 yrs under his belt come by my school last week, about 5’ 11", 190 lbs, had him spar (stand up) with one of my guys, 5’4" 165lbs. The leg kicks he he looked like a bee stung him, so we stopped that and then when he got hit with a punch he turned his head and pushed his hands straigth out. So we tried grappling he got choked and armed barred in his 2 matches within the first min of action. He didn’t fair well and has been the same with the guys I have seen. got to give him credit for going for it. Haven’t seen him since. The art might be fun and cool to train, but the guys I meet are as cocky as can be and that’s the instructor instilling that…Peace out
WC is not the same as WT, neither is WT a rip off of WC. They may look the same but are different in a number of ways. WC seems to miss out two ranges: grappling and ground fighting. In WT we know fights can end up on the ground so we train in that range. However, the goal of WT groundfighting is not to sub your opponent. Its to get back on your feet with your opponent still on the ground so you can kick them/run away. “Traditional” arts (I don’t consider WT to be traditional but WC seems to be) have been criticised for not including grappling and ground fighting. When WT includes anti-grappling techs people still criticise it. WT is miles ahead of other styles who have a blinkered view and think that they’d never have to fight on the ground or grapple.
well if you can’t afford it then i guess it’s your loss keep on with your ignorance of bashing people you have no intention of ever trying to even spar with.