I’m not going to disagree that stealing is different than borrowing. However the purpose of my point remains unchanged regardless of which word you use.
Yes, it completely changes your point. That just shows your ignorance.
“I borrowed a car” is utterly different than “I stole a car.”
“I stole a martial art technique” is completely different than “I borrowed a martial art technique.” Hell, these are different than “I copied a martial art techniques.”
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You said you reworded his point, that has nothing to do with asking someone for clarification. Keep up with your own posts dipshit.[/QUOTE]
WTF are you talking about??? I point that I ripped/copied/plagerized was Jim Jude. His point was also aimed at Gezere
[QUOTE=It is Fake;2681306]You didn’t as for clarification you changed their words to make their point. Then you scream, whine and cry because you can’t have your way.
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Really how did I change Gezere words? I posted his post for you to read. I paraphrased it. But if I made an error in paraphrasing it please let me know. I doubt I did
[QUOTE=It is Fake;2681306]
Who said they were intelligent. That’s how people respond to an idiot that doesn’t know wtf they are talking about, but insists that they do.[/QUOTE]
No, if they really cared that little about what I said they would not have responded at all. People like to insult people to get them to talk more. Look how much I have you, omega and Matt talking now. Whereas before you were just dismissing me.
[QUOTE=It is Fake;2681306]
Then stop psoting because all you do is waste time and cry.[/QUOTE]
On a more serious note why don’t you stop posting. Every post that comes out of your mouth is basically full of “Been there, done that”. If this is so old and boring for you why don’t you do something else?
[QUOTE=It is Fake;2681306]
No, it is either exact or it isn’t. You took liberties.[/QUOTE]
And what liberty was that?
[QUOTE=It is Fake;2681306]
They are not synonyms dipshit, the fact you think they are proves you have the empty head. The fact you are STILL trying to imply they mean the same thing proves that your empty head is caved in. The fact you are asking “steal/copy or MMA” shows you are ignorant and do not know what you are talking about.[/QUOTE]
Never said that they were synonyms. I just said that a reasonably intelligent person would still understand my point regardless of which word I just used.
Just like when you wrote…
[QUOTE=It is Fake;2681306]You didn’t as for clarification you changed their words to make
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I was able to figure out that you missed the “k” in ask and that you were writing one sentence and not two.
[QUOTE=It is Fake;2681309]Yes, it completely changes your point. That just shows your ignorance.
“I borrowed a car” is utterly different than “I stole a car.”
“I stole a martial art technique” is completely different than “I borrowed a martial art technique.” Hell, these are different than “I copied a martial art techniques.”[/QUOTE]
No not really. There is still context to be had. In you example steal and copy would not be different in the end because whether I watched you train from a distance a copied your technique with out your permission or if I paid you to teach me the technique and then used it for my own system, at the end of the day I would still be in possession of that technique.
And the point was that MMA has in its possession techniques from other martial arts styles. So does that fact give it MMA The right to call its self its own style?
[QUOTE=superninjagod;2681320]
On a more serious note why don’t you stop posting. Every post that comes out of your mouth is basically full of “Been there, done that”. If this is so old and boring for you why don’t you do something else?[/quote] Wow you don’t even know what this means do you? Old and boring doesn’t equal “been there done that?” Try harder. Good lord you are dumb.
Never said that they were synonyms. I just said that a reasonably intelligent person would still understand my point regardless of which word I just used.
No, saying MMA steals is not the same as saying they borrow. No, a reasonably intelligent poster or practitioner is going to notice that you are an idiot.
I was able to figure out that you missed the “k” in ask and that you were writing one sentence and not two.
I gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that you typed this part really fast, because in the context of the previous conversations (and even with your own paragraph) these sentences don’t make sense.
Just like I figured out your missed “I’m” or “I am” in the previous quote. We won’t speak about the irony of the comment “sentences don’t make sense.”
[QUOTE=superninjagod;2681303]Do you even know what Gezere’s point was? He stated that because Anyone can enter a MMA competition, MMA is not a style…
I argued that just because you entered a martial arts competition it does not make you a practitioner of that style
you then said…
So based on this statement you just agreed with me, not with Gezere.
I gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that you typed this part really fast, because in the context of the previous conversations (and even with your own paragraph) these sentences don’t make sense. First of all if you are a wrestler who plays football, arguably could you not be both and wrestler and football player? And if a water polo player entered a wrestling competition, wouldn’t they just enter a competition which featured just one style of wrestling? Finally I agree with you that they are not a wrestler until they start honestly training to become one.
But what any of that had to do with implied rules, or having an actual rule in a rule book about being a well rounded fighter in MMA or a distinct rule about knowing grappling or basketball is not apparent to me.
For the record that was the paragraph you quoted.
I’m not going to disagree that stealing is different than borrowing. However the purpose of my point remains unchanged regardless of which word you use.
You have done a poor job of communicating your point, and you do not possess any logic
You are not capable of addressing me on an intellectual level. This becomes apparent in your choice of words and the fact that you did not addressed any of my points in your first post
WTF does any of this have to do with “if you participate in a sporting event, it does not make you a practitioner of that style”. Clarify that so then I can respond to your stupid bullshit[/QUOTE]Let me summarize that you lack the mental acumen to be in this conversation. Somebody please remove this fool before I do it.
[QUOTE=superninjagod;2681327]No not really. There is still context to be had. In you example steal and copy would not be different in the end because whether I watched you train from a distance a copied your technique with out your permission or if I paid you to teach me the technique and then used it for my own system, at the end of the day I would still be in possession of that technique.[/quote]You realize you added your own context, while forgetting the “r,” to make yourself right? Here is the correct context:
People keep calling MMA a ruleset on the basis that it copies techniques from boxing, thai boxing, BJJ, wresting etc. But really in other styles there are similar techniques for kicking, punching a grappling (m example was an outside wrist lock) yet people consider them separate styles.
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People keep calling MMA a ruleset on the basis that it borrows techniques from boxing, thai boxing, BJJ, wresting etc. But really in other styles there are similar techniques for kicking, punching a grappling (m example was an outside wrist lock) yet people consider them separate styles.
Fixed.
No these posts each have a totally different meaning in relation to your original post. Yes, this means you do not understand MMA. This means you ignored the FACT that a LARGE majority of the practitioners are trained BY COACHES of the specific styles they use in MMA.
Your initial post was taken as an insult. You then said it was all the same. Now, you are trying to cover your ass.
And the point was that MMA has in its possession techniques from other martial arts styles. So does that fact give it MMA The right to call its self its own style?
This was answered before you started making your typical mistakes.
[QUOTE=superninjagod;2681307] Although one could argue that MMA wasn’t used as a term in the first few UFC’s.
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And you wonder why the word ‘retarded’ is getting used.
It wasn’t until later that MMA the term was born.
When exactly was the term ‘MMA’ born? Cite a source for your answer.
I know… That was the point I was getting to. Therefore if Every Martial Style is just a combination of Techniques, then wouldn’t MMA be considered a style, or at least moving in that direction…
Do you really think anyone doubts that there is a dominant set of techniques, tactics, strategies and training methods that dominate the sport? You think you’re shedding light on something, but you’re doing it in broad daylight.
Why is this a stupid example? The example I needed was a generic grappling technique available in a lot of martial arts styles. It didn’t really matter “What” the technique actually was. In fact I personally have been taught or have watched practitioners perform that same stupid technique in at least 10 different martial arts. For o-goshi it was probably only around 5-6 of those same arts. Maybe my experience is different than yours but the point is exactly the same. The point being…
It’s a stupid example because you’re picking a move that has a sketchy status with modern grappling, is a go-to move for many, many BS styles, and can not be a part of MMA competition. It’s a stupid example for making your point because it’s a loaded example likely to cause derails, and a person even half paying attention to the subject would not set themselves up for a big distraction by choosing it, or the heel-hook or any other loaded example. The fact that you didn’t process this says a lot about who you are and where you’re coming from.
Yay matt you’re getting it! So if techniques are already mixed…then one could argue that you cannot fault MMA for mixing other techniques and it should be respected just as much as any other martial arts style
OMG thanks for explaining it to me! I’m so glad you’re here.
You haven’t really said much to address any of my points mentioned up until this post. You just told me that I was a retard…
I’m not addressing your points because I’ve probably posted 100 pages on the subject here already
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=85944
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=93148
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=114438
For starters
If it was so obvious and simple to answer, then why hasn’t anyone done so?
Because no one here feels like spoon feeding you.
Maybe your problem is that you drink to often from the detergent isle…
STFU retard.
I even left you an Easter egg in the form of a new thread explaining something you missed, just to see if you were looking to address your ignorance (of course you are not and did not).
Search, read, learn something… then come back and post something more interesting
[QUOTE=It is Fake;2681328]Wow you don’t even know what this means do you? Old and boring doesn’t equal “been there done that?” Try harder. Good lord you are dumb.
Actually it pretty much does. And the audacity you have to call me dumb. And I’m not just referring to to this thread either. Almost every thread you participate in you cry about how this has all been discussed before…
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No, saying MMA steals is not the same as saying they borrow. No, a reasonably intelligent poster or practitioner is going to notice that you are an idiot.
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No, a reasonably intelligent poster would look at the mistake, infer what i meant, and move ahead. Not point it out and totally derail a thread just like you and Omega just did.
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Just like I figured out your missed “I’m” or “I am” in the previous quote. We won’t speak about the irony of the comment “sentences don’t make sense.”[/QUOTE]
So you figured that out but you couldn’t figure out the steals vs copies part… hmmmm
[QUOTE=Omega Supreme;2681332]Let me summarize that you lack the mental acumen to be in this conversation. Somebody please remove this fool before I do it.[/QUOTE]
What I honestly believe is that you lack the mental acumen to reply to any of my posts, that is why you have to bitch out and just try and remove me from the forum. It must nice and easy to be able to do this then to actually face the mistakes you made while posting.
[QUOTE=superninjagod;2681362]No, a reasonably intelligent poster would look at the mistake, infer what i meant, and move ahead. Not point it out and totally derail a thread just like you and Omega just did.
[/QUOTE]Actually you derailed the thread.
[QUOTE=superninjagod;2681365]What I honestly believe is that you lack the mental acumen to reply to any of my posts, that is why you have to bitch out and just try and remove me from the forum. It must nice and easy to be able to do this then to actually face the mistakes you made while posting.[/QUOTE]
No, you’re not contributing to the thread so you’re here now. You want to learn the hard way as other dumbasses in the past?
[QUOTE=It is Fake;2681335]You realize you added your own context, while forgetting the “r,” to make yourself right? Here is the correct context:
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I’m sorry but the context was always there from when I made the original point. I didn’t have to add anything.
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No these posts each have a totally different meaning in relation to your original post. Yes, this means you do not understand MMA. This means you ignored the FACT that a LARGE majority of the practitioners are trained BY COACHES of the specific styles they use in MMA.
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I didn’t ignore the fact that coaches are used in MMA. In fact I touched upon that with one of my earlier posts. It was a simple mistaken word but the meaning behind my point didn’t change. And to sit there and nit pick about that is absolute bullshit. You know it, you are just grabbing at straws here.
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This was answered before you started making your typical mistakes.[/QUOTE]
Then it would have been quicker to refer to one of those posts, then to sit here bitching all day about the use of one word. When quite clearly you knew the meaning of what I said
[QUOTE=Omega;2681335]
Actually you derailed the thread[/QUOTE]
How can you say that. You guys derailed the thread with talking about stealing vs copying and calling me names. I kept my posts on topic about MMA and whether it is a style or not
[QUOTE=Omega Supreme;2681367]No, you’re not contributing to the thread so you’re here now. You want to learn the hard way as other dumbasses in the past?[/QUOTE]
Do you know what contribute to a thread means? It means posting information related to the topic at hand. I did that with my posts. You guys derailed it with you incoherent insults
[QUOTE=superninjagod;2681370]How can you say that. You guys derailed the thread with talking about stealing vs copying and calling me names. I kept my posts on topic about MMA and whether it is a style or not[/QUOTE]
Really?
[QUOTE=superninjagod;2680394]Wow thanks idiot.[/QUOTE]
Now you’re a fucking liar.
[QUOTE=superninjagod;2681368]I’m sorry but the context was always there from when I made the original point. I didn’t have to add anything.
I didn’t ignore the fact that coaches are used in MMA. In fact I touched upon that with one of my earlier posts. It was a simple mistaken word but the meaning behind my point didn’t change. And to sit there and nit pick about that is absolute bullshit. You know it, you are just grabbing at straws here.
Then it would have been quicker to refer to one of those posts, then to sit here bitching all day about the use of one word. When quite clearly you knew the meaning of what I said[/QUOTE]“Dumb” and “smart” are not synonymous. Quit trying to act smart, we can all see you are dumb. I’m grasping the straw you keep spitting all over this thread.
superninjadouche: “It was a mistake, but it really wasn’t.” You are a fucking idiot.
[QUOTE=Matt Phillips;2681352]And you wonder why the word ‘retarded’ is getting used.
When exactly was the term ‘MMA’ born? Cite a source for your answer.[/QUOTE]
The name mixed martial arts was coined by Rick Blume, president and CEO of Battlecade, in 1995
^ UMSTEAD, THOMAS (September 18, 1995). “Operators struggle again with UFC time overrun”. Cable & Wireless Inc. Multi Channel News. Retrieved 2009-01-15.
like to see you back out of this one…
[QUOTE=Matt Phillips;2681352]
Do you really think anyone doubts that there is a dominant set of techniques, tactics, strategies and training methods that dominate the sport? You think you’re shedding light on something, but you’re doing it in broad daylight.[/QUOTE]
No not saying anything about doubting the dominant set. My entire argument was based on the fact that if you look at the reasons why people dont think MMA deserves to be called a style, many of the arguments I was addressing falls apart when you compare them to styles that have existed for many years
[QUOTE=Matt Phillips;2681352]
It’s a stupid example because you’re picking a move that has a sketchy status with modern grappling, is a go-to move for many, many BS styles, and can not be a part of MMA competition. It’s a stupid example for making your point because it’s a loaded example likely to cause derails, and a person even half paying attention to the subject would not set themselves up for a big distraction by choosing it, or the heel-hook or any other loaded example. The fact that you didn’t process this says a lot about who you are and where you’re coming from.[/QUOTE]
alot of people came shitty martial arts. Alot of the shitty martial arts styles like Ninjutsu for example are respected as its own style and it is sad that MMA is not. I think the contrast in that example would have been valuable to the conversation.
[QUOTE=Matt Phillips;2681352]
I’m not addressing your points because I’ve probably posted 100 pages on the subject here already[/QUOTE]
Well good for you. You can’t expect everyone to read every post you write, especially after you insult them. And for the record I have no problem with you insulting me. I just want to know why you want to insult me. At the very worst at least write “Search function Noob”. Or something.
[QUOTE=Matt Phillips;2681352]
Because no one here feels like spoon feeding you.[/QUOTE]
Then why even bother to send out an insult then…In hind sight don’t you think it would have been less work for all if you just made your point clear in the first place? how many post could you have saved. How many minutes of your life, my life, Omega and IIF’s life could you have saved if you either just completely ignored me or just posted conceisely(sp?). You might think you are acting cool and saving time, but really in the end you are just derailing threads and wasting time
[QUOTE=Matt Phillips;2681352]
STFU retard.
I even left you an Easter egg in the form of a new thread explaining something you missed, just to see if you were looking to address your ignorance (of course you are not and did not).
Search, read, learn something… then come back and post something more interesting[/QUOTE]
That was the worst easter egg ever. I came up with nothing but a crappy website to a guy who won UFC 7. This is obviously some inside joke, and again you would have saved more time and energy if you were just more simplified and concise
[QUOTE=Omega Supreme;2681374]Really?
Now you’re a fucking liar.[/QUOTE]
And what what I responding to in that post? Nice try Omega. If I wasn’t responding to either you, IIF or Matt Phillips with a post like that you would have had a point
[QUOTE=superninjagod;2681383]The name mixed martial arts was coined by Rick Blume, president and CEO of Battlecade, in 1995
^ UMSTEAD, THOMAS (September 18, 1995). “Operators struggle again with UFC time overrun”. Cable & Wireless Inc. Multi Channel News. Retrieved 2009-01-15.
like to see you back out of this one…[/Quote]Search function stupid. He’s already written threads about this. Nothing to back out of. You seriously suck at this.