My Burning Gaze has cleansed this domain of the Sins of Crappling.
umm its a contest because you usually try to win by getting the takedown. At wrestling meets they even call them…takedown contests. The point is to get some number of takedowns first. Whoever gets the number first wins.
Singles and doubles are good fundamental takedowns for the beginning takedown artist. I prefer single legs because my knee won’t allow me a good solid shot for the double anymore. A well setup single or double with a solid shoot is very hard to stuff, not impossible, just hard.
My favorite setup for the single is to circle around towards one side of my opponent while I’m grabbing and pulling his far side (relative to the direction I am circling) hand towards me. As his far leg steps towards me, I change levels to go for the single. If done correctly the leg you’re attacking should be very close when you drop. Keep hold of the hand for more control and to bend him at the waist. This makes it much harder to sprawl.
Also, arm drags are great setups for many takedowns. When I wrestled, arm drags were my main offensive setup for most of my takedowns. Anytime your opponent reaches for your head or shoulder an arm drag opportunity exists. There are arm drags to singles, arm drags to firemans, arm drag to back suplex etc. Too many to mention here.
And unlike Wing Chun, arm drags actually have many valid applications on the ground, so you would be well-served to practice them until they are second nature.
Are we allowed to mention the forbidden MA that dares not to speak its own name in DHS?
Even in the gi? I’m fine with singles and doubles no-gi but do an okay job stuffing even our good wrestlers in the gi.
Also, arm drags are great setups for many takedowns. When I wrestled, arm drags were my main offensive setup for most of my takedowns. Anytime your opponent reaches for your head or shoulder an arm drag opportunity exists. There are arm drags to singles, arm drags to firemans, arm drag to back suplex etc. Too many to mention here.
I love armdrags.
Funny you mention firemans. I am currently favoring them over singles or doubles in the gi. 'Course my back is jacked and so I’m having a harder time turning right after lifting them.
How do you stuff them? Crossface, sprawl or something else?
I love armdrags.
Funny you mention firemans. I am currently favoring them over singles or doubles in the gi. 'Course my back is jacked and so I’m having a harder time turning right after lifting them.
Arm drag to firemans was my favorite takedown in wrestling. Not the highest percentage, but still my favorite. I tried it on a big guy during training two years ago. I got the takedown but ripped a small hole in my inner (?) bursa for my troubles. The lesson here? Don’t try a technically intricate takedown for the first time in ten years during sparring.
I used to love the fireman’s carry, but have gotten away from it in the last 6 or 8 months. I like setting it up with armdrags or a failed seio-nage/seio-nage feint. Perhaps I should revisit when my ribs are healthy . . .
Any other takedowns I apply come from confused standing grapples and reaps, so I don’t even ‘train’ for them.
Crappling. Not knowing what your doing. Sucktitude. Submission Foder. _ing _un. Stupid.
The annoying thing is in BJJ there are several names for any one technique.
I’ll try that since most of my hip throws fail.
It occurs to me that it might also work from drop seio-nage if you really screw the pooch on that one, but it’s just a tentative thought and I haven’t tried it that I know of. Could be worthless.
seoi nage to seoi otoshi is nice if they’re trying to swing around and side step.
Dirty Rooster
I don’t train any JJ, but during my own training the commonest way for me to intentionally takedown my opponent is to pick up one of his legs while shouldering forward to his midsection.
So, what’s this called in BJJ ??
Snatch single?
I feel the same way too. In a gi shooting in with doubles and singles is harder because the guy that sprawls has alot more to grab on to. I mainly go for upper body takedwons such as sweeps and throws in the gi. W/O the gi its easier to shoot in.
Does anyone here do Greco-Roman? There style of takedowns should be great because they focus on the upperbody. Ive heard there similar to judo takedowns but w/o the gi.
I didn’t know anything about takedowns, but I’ve been working no-gi lately so I asked my folkstyle wrestling buddy to work takedowns with me.
He didn’t show me any new takedowns, but he gave me a foundation in setting them up.
I found out that I like duck-unders because I am short (5’ 7.5") and they’re relatively low risk: when I try to duck-under and fail, people haven’t really been able to counter effectively so far. Maybe this will change… any thoughts?
Also, we worked a drill for setting up those double and single legs well. Instead of trading takedowns and standing up again to continue, we just work for control and setups and then slap the leg(s). The assumption is that if I can slap your legs, I could have shot on them.
This was a valuable lesson in distancing for me - it made my double/single legs more effective because I was so close by the time I shot in. The next day I was taking down my usual training partner nearly at will and he kept telling me how fast I was… I’m wasn’t any faster than the previous day, but I had better set up my shots.
Duck unders are great but you have to make sure you have good control with it. I use them but if you mess up and dont control the arm your ducking under I think you could be easily caught in a guilitene. Any thoughts on that?
Sprawl and grips. Nogi I can hit doubles from a tieup. In the gi a good grip makes level changes less sharp and aides stiff arming.
I’ve been having success with them [duck unders], but I have been trying to set them up well. Like my right arm on their neck, my left over their right arm… I twist his right arm down towards the mat and as he tries to regain his posture, that’s when I duck under on his right. Pull him down, he tries to stand up, duck under.
Same idea as how I’ve been working my double legs… I pull his posture down with a grip on his neck, and when he tries to stand up, I just let him. That’s when I shoot. He wants to stand up? Fine by me, that makes my job so much easier!
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Then it has more to do with your training partners not setting up good shots rather than your defense. One of the most frequent mistakes I see wrestlers and jiu-jitsukas make is shooting from too far out. Unless you’re a NCAA champion level wrestler, you should be shooting from just outside the clinch range IMO. Any farther out and a good sprawler can counter 90% of the time.
Another common mistake is not controlling your opponent to set up your shot. I sprawl and pancake people all the time because they shoot without the necessary measure of control when they take their shot. If you have good grips on my gi I should not be thinking about single or double legs anyway. Set up yor shot. I have always used the Judo concept of kuzushi (sp?) to set up my shots. I take my shot when he is off balance.