A black belt is often times associated with describing a martial art expert (whatever that is). However, there is no controlled testing or universal standards. If you have a belt for any purpose other than a useful purpose such as holding a jacket and pants together, then you are committing fraud!
If we the MA community reject certificates, organizations, lineages, and belts, then an instructor will have to stand alone, on his/her own.
How many people see BB’s as BS?
Request move: Trollshido
And on belts: It depends on org, art and teacher.
It tends to be more of a misconception of what a “Black Belt” is. Many see a Black Belt as an expert in the art they are learning simply because it’s commonly known that the rank of black belt is a high one. They just make the assumption that Black Belts are “experts”. I can’t begin to count how many times a Black Belt or Martial Artist is referred to as an “expert” in many popular news sources. Unfortunately, many frauds do take advantage of this misconception and use it to promote themselves.
In my opinion, the term “expert” tends to be one of personal perception than anything else. You can see someone as an “expert” because you have no knowledge about their field, but you assume that they know what they’re doing. People think I’m somewhat of a computer expert but I have been taught very little about computers, everything I know is from experimenting, exploring, trial and error. I used to think Black Belts were “experts”, but it wasn’t until I actually took a Martial Arts class that I realized they weren’t “experts”, just students who’ve been around long enough to have obtained a black belt.
Moved from MABS. Original Title:
“Black Belts are Frauds”
Some suggestions for RABA:
Go and train and change your style field so we know what MA you do (and possibly will tell us why you created this thread).
Forget about trying to put a value on a black belt
Attend a throwdown and worry about your abilities
Yes they are. Unless it’s BJJ. Or possibly judo. And I’ve heard the Kyokushin guys can fight too. And there are a couple of Ke?po…Okay black belts aren’t frauds you fail bye.
This is a good example of BS.
Go and train and tell me about your MA so I can make safe assumation. I don’t dare ask.
Forget about putting value on BB, although that is what the thread is about.
Attend a throwdown, ho-down, and worry…that’s is what my sensie always say…
Lily, you may not realize it, but you are trying to qualify me, and all the while blowing smoke up people’s butt. That BS!
Here is a suggestion for you: It either makes sense to you or it doesn’t!
Are there anymore fakes with over 600 posts?
More BS.
So some people you have heard can fight and they have BB, therefore, BB equals the ability to fight. And fighting equals BB. Is that what you are trying to say?
You make know sense at all. Try again after you get some help.
rofl?
Actually, it’s not.
Go and train and tell me about your MA so I can make safe assumation. I don’t dare ask.
She just wants to know what would drive a person to make such a stupid thread.
Forget about putting value on BB, although that is what the thread is about.
And the thread is stupid. So putting a value on a black belt is stupid.
Attend a throwdown, ho-down, and worry…that’s is what my sensie always say…
He also says “get on your knees RABA, it’s time to collect my fee for teach you teh deadly LARP.”
Lily, you may not realize it, but you are trying to qualify me, and all the while blowing smoke up people’s butt. That BS!
For fuck’s sake, take ESL and just TRY the toefl, that’s all we ask numnuts.
Here is a suggestion for you: It either makes sense to you or it doesn’t!
Are there anymore fakes with over 600 posts?
No but there’s plenty with under a 100 like yourself. Stay in Newbietown you perfect, perfect example of why inbreeding doesn’t work.
I guess my reply was relevant to your question since you haven’t criticized me yet.
In my opinion, the rank of black belt primarily means you’ve been around long enough to have obtained it. You do need to fulfill requires in order to obtain it, but it’s usually knowing kata and being able to do well while sparring (just to name a couple). I see what you’re saying though, people assume they can fight just because they have a black belt. I agree with you for the most part on that.
I think belts were meant to show seniority rather than actual ability.
I still think YMAS is too kind, this deserves Trollshido.
Oi, fucktard (That’s you, RABA) shut the flying fuck up. You made a dumbass thread (most likely because you are simply a dumbass yourself) and are getting called on it, don’t tell them they’re full of BS, learn to fucking READ.
It’s something you’ll get to no… I mean “know” here if you shut the fuck up and lurk a bit but I have a sinking sensation that you’re not going to be one of the people to do that, will bitch oooonnnnn and ooooooonnnn until enough of the posters have gotten so sick and tired of your self-important moaning and groaning that all your posts are either relegated to Trollshido (as they should be) or you are stuck with a Village Fucking Idiot Tag (The Dana White Version 2.0!!)
Don’t fucking go after Lily, she actually gave you some good advice and in a nice manner. You should be worshipping her and Vince for not ripping on your apparent idiocy from the get-go.
Run to Newbietown, e-bitch. Run there and don’t come back for a good long time.
Don’t start. Really, please don’t. This is a terribly annoying discussion that will eventually lead into a flame war on TKD, then you. I promise (This is YMAS now…).
Just be happy with the answer that different arts, orgs and teachers place different weights on belts and therefor the belt itself is only significant within that org or style, unless that org or style (Dammit, I hate typing “org or style”) is generally respected. In which case… awe fuck it, here’s a dancing wookie.
:chewy:
you got me on my spelling, but I got my point across. you don’t have to agree, that’s is your right not too. However, you didn’t quantify anything.
Your a con-man because you abuse people’s confidence with your self-serving talk. You haven’t attempted to add any value to this thread. You think it’s stupid…don’t waste your time.
There are numerous people that are swindled by people like you. You build a status of 2000 post and tell me that I better stick to newtown. The only other guy that contributed with something worth reading was a noob (mastsafighta). E-rage, you can’t fool everyone. You either have something worth reading or you don’t! And although, some of your insults were humerous…you are still talking BS.
So what do you say to a con-man? He has to win. That’s his game.
That’s true. I shouldn’t speak from personal experience since my personal experience doesn’t include everyone else. Bah, me and my generalizations, I apologize for that. I guess I need to lurk around a little more before I start getting into serious discussions. Such one-sidedness on my part annoys the hell out of me.
Dance, Wookie! Dance!
I’m appreciated by someone! Woot!
[quote=WorldWarCheese]Don’t start. Really, please don’t. This is a terribly annoying discussion that will eventually lead into a flame war on TKD, then you. I promise (This is YMAS now…).
Just be happy with the answer that different arts, orgs and teachers place different weights on belts and therefor the belt itself is only significant within that org or style, unless that org or style (Dammit, I hate typing “org or style”) is generally respected. In which case… awe fuck it, here’s a dancing wookie.
I’m not goint to comment on the other stuff because you said something intelligent here. We all know that teachers have their own standards. However, the problem with any award (belts, paper, etc.) is that many people never see beyond what they have acquired. All the extra bagage they carried to convince others and themselves that they are worthly. That’s not true self-esteem. Martial art creates a change unlike other activities. I see BB as an obstacle towards human growth.
I see you as an obvious sign that we are de-evolving.
If you don’t mine me saying, I think you are in the right direction. I have been actively involve in MA for 30 years and during mytime I have heard all kinds of lies, cons, and faults believes. It bothers me that I still see grown men lying to themselves and others because of what they can’t do, as oppose to accepting what the can do.
Pardon my minor interjection.
When I got Brown Belt (some 200 techniques, involving my being strangled, choked, kneed, kicked, elbowed, punched, THROWN, poked in the eye and God knows what else) in my very first lesson before I started the Dan Grade, I spoke to my instructor and said “I don’t think I know anything”. He replied “You know a lot. You know more than you realise”. I was not persuaded nor confident and remained sceptical and self-doubting.
Yet from the perspective of my very first class, I remember that I was impressed (and awed) by the Browns I saw practising on the mat. I did not expect to be among them.
Upon achieving Shodan, my colleague and senior said to me: “Now you can be taught. You’ve learned the Basics”.
How true.
In struggling to make progress in 3rd Dan (this is not meant to boast) I am struggling to get a decent training partner who can contribute to my understanding and progress - so I have to travel but even then, the fellow strugglers I hope to meet aren’t always there owing to work, family, injury etc. The learning curve steepens.
What else have I learned? Well, I hold to my comment about: “I know so little”…but perhaps more than I realise. Stitching the disparate techniques is a real problem especially wthout a regular, contributing training partner.
What gaps remain?
Well, I’m crap at groundwork (lack of opportunity, knowledge, practise).
My kicking is poor but as an ex-footballer (soccer player to most of you) although I can’t kick high, I can certainly take out your knees - and that’s what counts.
My punching needs improvement.
My stickwork could be better, much better. Both rattan cane and Walking Stick.
I’m just a work in progress.
I’m more tolerant of ars*holes and bullies, who I would have previously confronted. I don’t like bullies. I have to check my Temper. Logically, I have no real wish to hurt anyone. That said, recognising a true threat to one’s Life, now that’s the acid test…
I will now STFU. Contribution over.
What you don’t realize RABA is that there have been MANY threads on this exact subject in the past. Therefore it’s a dead horse subject on this site. If you had used the search function to find one of these older threads and contributed something new, you might have garnered a response other than, “STFU noob.” from some of the more senior posters.
You didn’t though.
Pardon us for being tired of cliched discussions.